3 girls going to Syria - Page 5

nomadking · 15-02-2019, 12:30

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Originally Posted by Mr_love_monkey

Possibly.

But as I say, indoctrination/brainwashing/grooming gives you a distorted view of the world

If you've actively gone looking for a particular view, it is already distorted. Classic example is where people look for extreme porn and yet the [bogus] accusation is made that it was looking at extreme porn that made them a particular way.

pip08456 · 15-02-2019, 12:33

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Originally Posted by Mr_love_monkey

Possibly.

But as I say, indoctrination/brainwashing/grooming gives you a distorted view of the world

Looks like it doesn't it.

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In an interview with the Times, Ms Begum, who married an IS fighter, showed little remorse for her involvement with the terror group and said she was not fazed by seeing "beheaded heads" in bins.

"I'm not the same silly little 15-year-old schoolgirl who ran away from Bethnal Green four years ago," she said.

"I don't regret coming here."

However, she said that after the "shock" of losing two children to illness while living in Syria, she was scared her unborn baby would also die if she stayed in the refugee camp to which she fled last month.

She said: "I'll do anything required just to be able to come home and live quietly with my child."

Ms Begum said life in the one-time IS stronghold of Raqqa had lived up to her expectations: "The life that they show on the propaganda videos - it's a normal life.

Sirius · 15-02-2019, 12:42

Let her rot in the hell hole she ran away to. If they let her back it follows they will let others back as well.

RichardCoulter · 15-02-2019, 12:51

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Originally Posted by Sirius

Let her rot in the hell hole she ran away to. If they let her back it follows they will let others back as well.

Who knows, she and others with ISIS views may be allowed back and start carrying out terror attacks in the UK.

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Had she shown one iota of remorse i could perhaps look past the rhetoric she was fed at fifteen and led her to the decision that she made.

She hasn't, so it's a no from me. She's wanting to come back because she lost two children already and is currently in a refugee camp expecting a third.

She made her bed, with her current attitude she can sleep in it. Or not, as the case may be.

Someone made a fair point in a phone in show earlier today when they said that she probably dare not show any remorse yet whilst living in the camp with other ISIS people.

It's a mess, but of her own making.

Mr_love_monkey · 15-02-2019, 13:37

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Originally Posted by pip08456

Looks like it doesn't it.

Erm. I think that reinforces my point.

pip08456 · 15-02-2019, 13:57

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Originally Posted by Mr_love_monkey

Erm. I think that reinforces my point.

I beg to differ.

richard s · 15-02-2019, 19:40

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Originally Posted by Sirius

Let her rot in the hell hole she ran away to. If they let her back it follows they will let others back as well.

Well said, let them all rot in hell. A new law should be passed with immediate effect for those who leave our shores to support a terrorist regime and that they should never be allowed back.

Sephiroth · 17-02-2019, 16:49

There seems to be a unanimous view that she should be left to rot somewhere else.

I beg to point out that she was a misguided 15 year old when she left the UK. It’s unfortunate that at 19, she sees nothing wrong with her time in Syria when ISIS was on top. That should be dealt with by de-radicalisation, not exclusion.

Her child has done nothing wrong and ought to be allowed to grow up as normally as possible in the UK. We should be bigger hearted in this case than seems to be the mood of this thread.

Carth · 17-02-2019, 17:19

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Her child has done nothing wrong and ought to be allowed to grow up as normally as possible in the UK.

Would that be whilst living with her mother?

nomadking · 17-02-2019, 17:30

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Her child has done nothing wrong and ought to be allowed to grow up as normally as possible in the UK. We should be bigger hearted in this case than seems to be the mood of this thread.

"Her child has done nothing wrong", YET. Countless examples of people who were cute as babies and had "done nothing wrong". Especially those who go on to be indoctrinated by others of their own kind. Islamic terrorists are not suddenly produced out of thin air, they are created by Islam.

Sephiroth · 17-02-2019, 17:35

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Originally Posted by Carth

Would that be whilst living with her mother?

Only born yesterday.

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Originally Posted by nomadking

"Her child has done nothing wrong", YET. Countless examples of people who were cute as babies and had "done nothing wrong". Especially those who go on to be indoctrinated by others of their own kind. Islamic terrorists are not suddenly produced out of thin air, they are created by Islam.

Whilst I share a number of concerns along the lines you’ve just stated, in this case YET is a very unfair to the child - a British citizen.

Carth · 17-02-2019, 17:48

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Originally Posted by nomadking

"Her child has done nothing wrong", YET. Countless examples of people who were cute as babies and had "done nothing wrong". Especially those who go on to be indoctrinated by others of their own kind. Islamic terrorists are not suddenly produced out of thin air, they are created by Islam.

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Whilst I share a number of concerns along the lines you’ve just stated, in this case YET is a very unfair to the child - a British citizen.

Having just done a quick risk assessment, my findings are to remove the risk

**Damien** · 17-02-2019, 18:07

She is British right? So if she makes her way back then I think we have to let her in but then she'll face criminal prosecution. I don't see this being an especially controversial approach. I don't think we should put anyone in danger to go 'rescue' her, she knew what she was doing, but it's not feasible to prevent British citizens from entering Britain and when someone is accused of being, or helping, terrorists we have a justice system to handle that.

TheDaddy · 17-02-2019, 19:39

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

There seems to be a unanimous view that she should be left to rot somewhere else.

I beg to point out that she was a misguided 15 year old when she left the UK. It’s unfortunate that at 19, she sees nothing wrong with her time in Syria when ISIS was on top. That should be dealt with by de-radicalisation, not exclusion.

Her child has done nothing wrong and ought to be allowed to grow up as normally as possible in the UK. We should be bigger hearted in this case than seems to be the mood of this thread.

No we shouldn't be bigger hearted at all, you think this woman is misguided, have you heard her talking about the heads in bins, I don't want her or her child back here, I wonder if the people that do will take responsibility for her or the child's actions when they're driving through a crowd on a bridge or blowing themselves up at a concert

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Originally Posted by nomadking

"Her child has done nothing wrong", YET. Countless examples of people who were cute as babies and had "done nothing wrong". Especially those who go on to be indoctrinated by others of their own kind. Islamic terrorists are not suddenly produced out of thin air, they are created by Islam.

Exactly, what was her own parents role in all this, was she the one who was taken to anjam choudrhy rallies by her dad?

1andrew1 · 17-02-2019, 20:53

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Originally Posted by Damien

She is British right? So if she makes her way back then I think we have to let her in but then she'll face criminal prosecution. I don't see this being an especially controversial approach. I don't think we should put anyone in danger to go 'rescue' her, she knew what she was doing, but it's not feasible to prevent British citizens from entering Britain and when someone is accused of being, or helping, terrorists we have a justice system to handle that.

I think that approach has been taken with other British citizens who travelled to Syria under similar circumstances. In her case, one question is how she gets her papers for her and her baby to leave Syria. She has never had a UK passport and would need British consulate support to obtain one. So her chances of returning don't look too high unless perhaps a journalist acts as a go-between but is there enough of a story to make it worth the hassle?