4K : UHD on Virgin Media

[devilincarnate]

Originally Posted by Gavin-D

To be fair to the beeb it wasn't just the UHD feed that had issues last night the normal HD feed was also suffering picture issues for the entire match it was believed to be an issue with the host broadcaster in Russia

It was a problem with the feed from FIFA and all the world would have had the same problem

[DVD Cinema]

Looks like a smaller DOG now.

[awesometeeth]

Originally Posted by spiderplant

They are pushing the boundaries on new technology, as is part of their remit, and have done to your benefit many times before. Colour? Digital TV? HD?

yeah I dont get this stuff.

look isnt it clear, the BBC has handed their opponents ammunition here and its hard to argue.

the BBC should of course had this sorted out ages ago, giving direct feeds to all platforms and providing iplayer for those who are FTA etc.

this way their actual remit is covered and people cant use this as an excuse to bash the BBC.

those who value the BBC should be demanding they get their act together as you can be sure those wont dont like the bbc are lining up to turn it into a tiny muted organisation.

[ozsat]

ITV will not be interested in any ammunition - they were last with HD and still haven't discovered 5.1 audio yet.

They haven't worked out how to stream high quality video either.


Can't see why people are complaining that they are offered to join in the TRIAL and complain they are finding the errors that the TRIAL is highlighting.

Until there is a TRIAL these issue would not be found. And they are asking for feedback highlighting any issues.

[BenMcr]

Originally Posted by awesometeeth

the BBC should of course had this sorted out ages ago, giving direct feeds to all platforms and providing iplayer for those who are FTA etc.

Except the technology for live streaming 4K HLG has only really existed this year, and it's the BBC that invented it alongside NHK.

The first big real world test of the whole production workflow was the Royal Wedding earlier this year
https://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/blog/2018-0...edding-uhd-hdr

[spiderplant]

Originally Posted by awesometeeth

the BBC should of course had this sorted out ages ago

They couldn't have sorted this out ages ago. The content wasn't available.

Now it is, they are doing. The World Cup is ideal - the content is available, lots of people are willing to trial it, and the time between games gives them opportunity to tweak their systems and then retest. There probably won't be another opportunity as good as this for a long time.

In years time you'll look back and be glad they did this. Meanwhile, if you don't want to take part in the trial, you don't have to.

[Raider999]

Originally Posted by spiderplant

They couldn't have sorted this out ages ago. The content wasn't available.

Now it is, they are doing. The World Cup is ideal - the content is available, lots of people are willing to trial it, and the time between games gives them opportunity to tweak their systems and then retest. There probably won't be another opportunity as good as this for a long time.

In years time you'll look back and be glad they did this. Meanwhile, if you don't want to take part in the trial, you don't have to.

Utter rubbish, there has been loads of content that they could have trial led it with prior to the World Cup.

It is very disappointing and shows BBCs attitude to sport for what it is

[awesometeeth]

Originally Posted by spiderplant

They couldn't have sorted this out ages ago. The content wasn't available.

Now it is, they are doing. The World Cup is ideal - the content is available, lots of people are willing to trial it, and the time between games gives them opportunity to tweak their systems and then retest. There probably won't be another opportunity as good as this for a long time.

In years time you'll look back and be glad they did this. Meanwhile, if you don't want to take part in the trial, you don't have to.

Oh boy, you really want the BBC to go the way of the dodo huh.

Edit: and that's a very weird reply oddly passive and hurt

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Raider999

Utter rubbish, there has been loads of content that they could have trial led it with prior to the World Cup.

It is very disappointing and shows BBCs attitude to sport for what it is

Content that 20,000 people wanted to view all at the same time and had the right TVs etc?

[awesometeeth]

Originally Posted by nomadking

Content that 20,000 people wanted to view all at the same time and had the right TVs etc?

I'm sure more than that watched the champions league final in 4k on Virgin.

This stuff doesn't work in the real world

[BenMcr]

Originally Posted by awesometeeth

I'm sure more than that watched the champions league final in 4k on Virgin.

This stuff doesn't work in the real world

That was done by a commercial broadcaster - same as Eurosport is.

They don't have to follow the BBC's charter rules that I posted earlier in this thread. The BBC aren't allowed by the terms of their charter from the government to do Pay TV only solutions. It has to be available to all licence fee payers - including those who only have Freeview.

If you have an issue with the BBC charter rules, it next comes up for renewal (at the moment) in 2026 - at which point the BBC will invite comments from licence fee payers.

[awesometeeth]

Yeah pretty sure we did this already.

No one ever said pay TV solutions only.

Yeah license payers who have the correct version of iPlayer,a fast enough connection and unlimited data.

The BBC is dead with people like you doing the bidding of its enemies.

[BenMcr]

Originally Posted by awesometeeth

Yeah pretty sure we did this already.

No one ever said pay TV solutions only.

I said platform / provider neutral. Considering all 4K content to date has been on Pay TV platforms only, I thought I was being clear what I was talking about.

I'm also not aware of a non-Pay TV platform that's available right now other that iPlayer that allows all licence fee payers the technical possibility of accessing 4K HLG content.

Yeah license payers who have the correct version of iPlayer, a fast enough connection and unlimited data.

And when BT did the football, for 4K you needed the correct version of TV STB and / or a fast enough connection and unlimited data.

The BBC is dead with people like you doing the bidding of its enemies.

I do no bidding of it's enemies.

I work for Virgin Media, who carry BBC content. I'm also a licence fee payer so am a direct customer of the BBC and appreciate what they do, how they do it and the technical challenges they're facing in creating a production workflow will allow more HDR content to be produced across the industry.

[awesometeeth]

This is the point, when your so driven to defend things that most reasonable people can see isn't good enough, you damage your objectives, not help them.

Now people have experienced 4k as a direct channel, on all platforms, they know full well this is a poor output by three BBC.

It's really simple, go read what people are saying about this and see if it's either helping or damaging the BBC's reputation to regular people.

If you truly don't think you're doing the bidding of the BBC's enemies, try and step back because I don't say that lightly.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by awesometeeth

This is the point, when your so driven to defend things that most reasonable people can see isn't good enough, you damage your objectives, not help them.

Now people have experienced 4k as a direct channel, on all platforms, they know full well this is a poor output by three BBC.

It's really simple, go read what people are saying about this and see if it's either helping or damaging the BBC's reputation to regular people.

If you truly don't think you're doing the bidding of the BBC's enemies, try and step back because I don't say that lightly.

I, too, was critical of the BBC's delay in rolling out UHD, but given their decision to give us UHD with HLG, this now makes sense.

HLG has only recently become available, so your criticism is unfair, all things considered.