Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797] - Page 902

Florence · 08-08-2008, 19:59

In one way I am glad webwise is for sale and hope they don't have anyother domains using webwise is it is very misleading to children they would think it was part of BBC webwise safe harbour.

Mind they still sitting on webwise.com, Registrant:
Phorm, Inc Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: WEBWISE.COM

Co uk is an interesting site..
http://www.webwise.co.uk/ Registrant:
Dave Beasley Registrant type: UK Sole Trader Registrant's address: Monkmoor Shrewsbury

webwise.org.uk student website Registrant: ANDREW PARTON Registrant type: UK Individual Shropshire

webwise.me.uk Registrant: simon scott Registrant type: Unknown Registrant's address: MEDWAY KENT

WEBWISE.ORG Phorm via godaddy.
WEBWISE.INFO Registrant ID:C866504-LRMS
Registrant Name:Rich Richbart
Registrant Organization:Adirondack Trust
Registrant Street1:41 Ave C
Registrant Street2:
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City:Saratoga Springs
Registrant State/Province:NY
Registrant Postal Code:12866
Registrant Country:US
Registrant Phone:+1.5185810690
Registrant Phone Ext.:
Registrant FAX:
Registrant FAX Ext.:
Registrant Email:sysop@spa.net
Admin ID:C866504-LRMS
Admin Name:Rich Richbart
Admin Organization:Adirondack Trust
Admin Street1:41 Ave C
Admin Street2:
Admin Street3:
Admin City:Saratoga Springs
Admin State/Province:NY
Admin Postal Code:12866
Admin Country:US
Admin Phone:+1.5185810690
Admin Phone Ext.:
Admin FAX:
Admin FAX Ext.:
Admin Email:sysop@spa.net
Billing ID:C866504-LRMS
Billing Name:Rich Richbart
Billing Organization:Adirondack Trust
Billing Street1:41 Ave C
Billing Street2:
Billing Street3:
Billing City:Saratoga Springs
Billing State/Province:NY
Billing Postal Code:12866
Billing Country:US
Billing Phone:+1.5185810690
Billing Phone Ext.:
Billing FAX:
Billing FAX Ext.:
Billing Email:sysop@spa.net
Tech ID:C866505-LRMS
Tech Name

omenic DAndrea
Tech Organization:Saratoga Online, Inc
Tech Street1:41 Ave C
Tech Street2:
Tech Street3:
Tech City:Saratoga Springs
Tech State/Province:NY
Tech Postal Code:12866
Tech Country:US
Tech Phone:+1.5185810690
Tech Phone Ext.:
Tech FAX:
Tech FAX Ext.:
Tech Email:sysop@spa.net

webwise.biz Ã‚Â£100.00 Available!

Dephormation · 08-08-2008, 20:16

Other domains aren't for sale as far as I can tell;

qkilbdr (.net)
openinternetalliance (.com)
sysip (.net)
youcanoptout (.com)
121media (.com)
phorm (.com)

pseudonym · 08-08-2008, 20:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dephormation

Looks like those Sedo listings for OIX.net and Webwise.net really are genuine.

Sedo have a published procedure for confirming ownership of domains listed.

.

Hmm, so are Phorm planning on dropping the webwise name and launching under another name - "SmartWeb" perhaps - from the webwise.com metadata?

Or could someone have hacked phorm and intercepted and redirected their admin email?

lucevans · 08-08-2008, 20:24

So Kent appears to be trying to quietly ditch the webwise brandname and attendant domains....let's not open the champagne just yet - he has has a history of this kind of thing. We need to be more vigilant than ever, looking out for the domains that he plans to use in their place (I'm sure he's learnt a valuable lesson from the Phorm affair; don't give your enemies details of your domains or how your system works. Make them figure it all out for themselves)
Here's a scenario: this change has been secretly planned for a while now, in conjunction with the next BT trials. Perhaps the delays in launching the trials are partly down to having to rewrite everything to work with the new "secret" domains. The plan is to launch the trial without telling anyone the domains that will be used, and so the anti-Phorm brigade will have no way of identifying those domains until after the trial has started - then they'll need volunteers to accept the trial in order to examine the re-routes to identify the new domains. In effect, it's Phorm going on the offensive. I certainly wouldn't write them off just yet...

Rchivist · 08-08-2008, 20:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dephormation

Looks like those Sedo listings for OIX.net and Webwise.net really are genuine.

Sedo have a published procedure for confirming ownership of domains listed.

As John H over on BT Beta forums has pointed out, the Sale pending of webwise.net makes yet another section of the official BT advice in the Webwise FAQ somewhat out of date. It was last updated on 2nd April 2008 around the time BT stopped answering questions.

The advice on avoiding Webwise from BT as contained in their Beta Forum Webwise FAQ is as follows: "Section 18 - part 2 - if you delete cookies regularly and want to remain opted out, you can set all your browsers to block cookies from the domain www.webwise.net. When you block this domain, the service will opt you out permanently. You can use this option now and will then be opted out of BT Webwise."

So there is an opportunity for another question to BT I suppose...

Dephormation · 08-08-2008, 20:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by lucevans

Here's a scenario: this change has been secretly planned for a while now, in conjunction with the next BT trials. Perhaps the delays in launching the trials are partly down to having to rewrite everything to work with the new "secret" domains. The plan is to launch the trial without telling anyone the domains that will be used, and so the anti-Phorm brigade will have no way of identifying those domains until after the trial has started - then they'll need volunteers to accept the trial in order to examine the re-routes to identify the new domains. In effect, it's Phorm going on the offensive. I certainly wouldn't write them off just yet...

Its possible, given the madness that governs the way they work.

I'll admit, I have no idea now what Phorm are doing. Sanity left the building a while back.

Every morning I wake up and think this is all a hoax. I'm expecting Jeremy Beadle's head to appear on PC screen at any moment.

"You're on live TV! You fell for our hoax!"

How else could you explain Phorm, Kent Erfdgdf, BT, Simon Davies, Michael Rake, the ICO, OFCOM, Emma Sanderson, The Gnome*, Ian Livingston, the Police, Gavin Patterson, the AGM, the Home Office... because it simply can't be real.

Its too stupid, too bonkers, too outrageous to be real.

Pete.

* I'm not even sure whether The Gnome is real or not, he seems more real than most of the rest of this madness.

JackSon · 08-08-2008, 20:46

Regarding your link, Pete. To me it looks as if webwise domain isnt for sale, or have one of you bought it already?

lucevans · 08-08-2008, 20:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dephormation

Its possible, given the madness that governs the way they work.

I'll admit, I have no idea now what Phorm are doing. Sanity left the building a while back.

Every morning I wake up and think this is all a hoax. I'm expecting Jeremy Beadle's head to appear on PC screen at any moment.

"You're on live TV! You fell for our hoax!"

How else could you explain Phorm, Kent Erfdgdf, BT, Simon Davies, Michael Rake, the ICO, OFCOM, Emma Sanderson, The Gnome*, Ian Livingston, the Police, Gavin Patterson, the AGM, the Home Office... because it simply can't be real.

Its too stupid, too bonkers, too outrageous to be real.

Pete.

* I'm not even sure whether The Gnome is real or not, he seems more real than most of the rest of this madness.

Yes Pete, it's your very own "Truman Show"

- i.e. you can't escape Phorm's 24/7, always-on voyeuristic gaze.

(I'd be very disturbed if Beadle popped up - hasn't he been dead for a couple of years?

)

Florence · 08-08-2008, 21:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by JackSon

Regarding your link, Pete. To me it looks as if webwise domain isnt for sale, or have one of you bought it already?

It was earlier also had 1 bid on it..

Dephormation · 08-08-2008, 21:04

Webwise seemingly no longer for sale.

These people are off their trolleys.

WTH are they doing?

OIX.net is still available if you're interested, or barking mad.

.

Dephormation · 08-08-2008, 21:16

I contacted Sedo about those domains;

regarding the domains oix.net and webwise.net currently listed for sale, are these sales verified as genuine with the domain owner? Knowing the current owner and the purpose they were intended for, I'm surprised to see them for sale, and suspect it might be a hoax or fraud.

Just had a message from Sedo;

Thank you for contacting us at Sedo. We have removed these outdated listings from our marketplace and from the previous owners' Sedo accounts

So that explains it all.

NewsreadeR · 08-08-2008, 21:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dephormation

OIX.net is still available if you're interested, or barking mad.

.

My offer of $60 got declined.

---------- Post added at 21:27 ---------- Previous post was at 21:25 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by lucevans

hasn't he been dead for a couple of years?

)

Another few months and Phorm will be as well

phormwatch · 09-08-2008, 00:10

Wasn't there a FOI request made by someone which was due out August 8th? Or was that some time later in August? Anyone have any news on that?

phormwatch · 09-08-2008, 09:10

Can someone please post the text version of the Phorm flyer, which can be found here:

http://nodpi.wikispaces.com/Propaganda

Into this broadband forum:

http://www.broadbandwatchdog.co.uk/f...wforum.php?f=1

I can't seem to register at all, for some reason. I've tried switching browsers, disabling noscript, allowing cookies, et. al. Might be my hosts file or something...

Thanks.

Ravenheart · 09-08-2008, 09:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by phormwatch

Can someone please post the text version of the Phorm flyer, which can be found here:

http://nodpi.wikispaces.com/Propaganda

Into this broadband forum:

http://www.broadbandwatchdog.co.uk/f...wforum.php?f=1

I can't seem to register at all, for some reason. I've tried switching browsers, disabling noscript, allowing cookies, et. al. Might be my hosts file or something...

Thanks.

I gave it a try and I couldn't register either