Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797] - Page 927

Portly_Giraffe · 13-08-2008, 01:32

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Originally Posted by madslug

Can someone let us know when the Webwise leaflet is updated for the new address?

Just back from holiday. I'll update Inphormationdesk over the next few days and include a page giving links to the latest versions of the flyer and factsheet. In the mean time here are the links to the flyer mentioning the EU intervention and giving the new 10 Downing Street petition url.

Black for printing 2-up landscape 2-sided on A4 paper and then guillotining into two A5 flyers (probably the most useful format):
http://www.inphormationdesk.org/Phorm_Flyer_2A5.pdf

Black for printing 2-sided on A5 paper:
http://www.inphormationdesk.org/Phorm_Flyer_A5.pdf

Original navy A4 with optional House of Commons and BT addresses on the back:
http://www.inphormationdesk.org/Phorm_Flyer.pdf

Special edition for MPs, navy A4 :
http://www.inphormationdesk.org/Phorm_Flyer_MP.pdf

icsys · 13-08-2008, 01:41

So the breaking news that UK.gov misses deadline on EU Phorm probe makes it into the Netherlands Telecom Paper (subscription only).

The story is propagating around the net but no sign of it in our tabloid websites yet.

Note this extract from the EU letter:

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Second, as regards the issues arising with regard to the planned future deployment of the Phorm technology, there appears to be a certain discrepancy between how it is envisaged by the ICO, the ISPs and Phorm itself. One of the most significant issues in this regard is the way in which customers will express their consent to the application of Phorm technology in their case. While the ICO seems to suggest that the consent of users for the Phorm technology should be on an opt-in basis and also BT seems to confirm this approach, Phorm has indicated that it intends to tackle user consent through providing 'transparent meaningful user notice'.

Amazing that Phorm (as at 7th August 2008) still insist that users will be allowed to opt-out rather than be asked to opt-in....

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However, a company official stated that the company [Phorm] is in continuous dialogue with the ICO to dispel any sort of privacy fears, and it would also allow the users to ‘opt out’ from monitoring.

Above extract from this news article

Rchivist · 13-08-2008, 07:32

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Originally Posted by icsys

Note this extract from the EU letter: Amazing that Phorm (as at 7th August 2008) still insist that users will be allowed to opt-out rather than be asked to opt-in....

Above extract from this news article

This mirrors the USA NebuAd story - when the NebuAd guy was in front of the Congress committee he consistently dodged the questions about opt-in/opt-out and was recognised to be doing so. Their excuse was that customers had a robust transparent notification - although in fact that wasn't really true, and for many ISP's there was no real notification at all. (That was transparent in the BT/Phorm meaning of the word- the notification was so transparent, no one could see it)

Then ISP's commercially can't afford to let go on that one. And they won't unless they are clearly told they have to make the default sitatuation that customers are not opted-in unless they choose actively to do so.

Comparing our situation with the States - we have the laws that apparently make it mandatory to ASK customers to opt-in themselves, whereas they have a Congress that is vigorously flexing it's muscles, but don't yet have the laws to get what they want. We have a government that seems to wish we DIDN'T have the laws and is trying NOT to enforce them.

tarka · 13-08-2008, 07:47

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However, a company official stated that the company [Phorm] is in continuous dialogue with the ICO to dispel any sort of privacy fears, and it would also allow the users to ‘opt out’ from monitoring.

I think that's a cue for another FOI request.

HamsterWheel · 13-08-2008, 08:22

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Originally Posted by Dephormation

You know what struck me on the way home?

Perhaps the reason BERR can't respond, the Police, the Home Office, the Cabinet Office, and all the other agencies involved aren't responding...

Is the Government is already facing legal action by the European Commission?

If it were true, perhaps it might also explain the 'emergency cabinet' called for September in the midlands?

Just guesswork of course.

Funniest post on the thread ! As if Gordon is more worried about Phorm than the collapsing economy !!!
Thanks for that - peed myself !

warescouse · 13-08-2008, 08:32

To any new viewers of this forum, check out the interesting developments mentioned on el reg yesterday.

EC interesting letter about Phorm and the Government (see page 2 also)

philj · 13-08-2008, 08:53

Right today can we leave the hamster alone please?
While that lot was going on yesterday i was out talking to local businesses. What's more important toying with the brain dead or getting the job done?
Flo get back here now!
If this offends some sorry but I'm narked

Phil

Dephormation · 13-08-2008, 09:08

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Originally Posted by philj

Right today can we leave the hamster alone please?
While that lot was going on yesterday i was out talking to local businesses. What's more important toying with the brain dead or getting the job done?
Flo get back here now!
If this offends some sorry but I'm narked

Phil

I need to get another bulk pack of stamps. Makro do them at Ã‚Â£20 for 60 first class, 10% less than the Post Office counter.

SelfProtection · 13-08-2008, 09:21

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Originally Posted by philj

Right today can we leave the hamster alone please?
While that lot was going on yesterday i was out talking to local businesses. What's more important toying with the brain dead or getting the job done?

Flo get back here now!

Phil

Do you really want to drive respected posters away, the dialogue tells others just as much about the objections to Phorm/Webwise as the Technical details & processes.

If a question needs answering in respect to Phorm, I will answer it whilst attempting to keep the thread dilution down to a minimum!

bluecar1 · 13-08-2008, 09:28

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Originally Posted by mark777

A few things that strike me in the light of the letter.

Wasn't it only a few days ago that BT confirmed that the trials would go ahead soon? With that letter in the background?

Surely BT must have known about the letter at the AGM when it was stated that the trials would begin in a couple of weeks.

It's very unlikely that they didn't know about the letter, but if they didn't, the bunker will be in a tizz tonight.

I wonder who leaked it. I doubt it was HMG. Maybe a miffed EU commission, fed up with being ignored? Just like we have been fobbed off.

Can you imagine the buck passing in Whitehall that must have been going on?

In all of this, involving HMG, BT and Phorm, it's the latter who is the tiddler, the one likely to be lined up by the other two to carry the can somehow. But then Kent has a big gob. Maybe he knows things that would be acutely embarrassing to HMG and BT.

I think that mainstream media coverage is not far off. Bags of it.

i get the feeling it's like a game of pass the parcel and everyone hoping the music keeps playing while they hold the issue until they can pass it to someone else

oblonsky · 13-08-2008, 09:31

Any photogenic or camera unshy people willing to try this (from the BBC):

"In May Mr Brown launched an online version of prime minister's questions.

He pledged to respond to video-clip questions submitted via the Downing Street Youtube website."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7556955.stm (last 2 paras)

BetBlowWhistler · 13-08-2008, 09:46

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Originally Posted by Wildie

What gate they going to call it?

BT Spy-gate
Phorm-gate
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Edit Rob: Mind the language, even if it is starred out

bluecar1 · 13-08-2008, 10:45

hi to the 41 guests lurking on the side, please come in and join the discussion

we do not bite,

at least let us know your view on the proposed BT webwise system and phorm, be it good or bad or a non event as far as you are concerned so we can gauge how people perceive the issue

peter

roadrunner69 · 13-08-2008, 11:11

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Originally Posted by philj

Right today can we leave the hamster alone please?
While that lot was going on yesterday i was out talking to local businesses. What's more important toying with the brain dead or getting the job done?
Flo get back here now!
If this offends some sorry but I'm narked

Phil

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Originally Posted by SelfProtection

Do you really want to drive respected posters away, the dialogue tells others just as much about the objections to Phorm/Webwise as the Technical details & processes.

I know what you're saying philj but given HW's replies I have to agree with SelfProtection.
Every time HW and other pro-phormers post it shows the pro phorm lobby for what it is: Totally devoid of any answers and comprised entirely of PhormPR cut & paste quotes.
It gives visitors a perspective on Phorms (non) arguments and furthers our campaign a tiny bit every time they post.
As long as it does not detract from the main thrust (as it did yesterday) I see no problem with giving them more rope to hang themselves with.
Dave

PS This thread will definitely be a poorer place without Flo

Come on Flo. Keep posting....You know you want to

HamsterWheel · 13-08-2008, 11:23

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Originally Posted by roadrunner69

Every time HW and other pro-phormers post it shows the pro phorm lobby for what it is: Totally devoid of any answers and comprised entirely of PhormPR cut & paste quotes.

Would you care to back that wild accusation up ?
I've answered anything you've all asked me to the best of my abilities.