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[rryles]

Originally Posted by HamsterWheel

PS on the Mr Ertugrul's sister thing. This was discussed on another site months ago and I believe it was established that she was a journo, but not at the FT. So rather ungentlemanly to have a pop (however disguised) at her.

It was confirmed in an article that has been posted here recently that "Mr Ertugrul’s sister is an FT journalist". This was written by another FT journalist on an FT website so is about as credible as you can get.

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Originally Posted by phormwatch

This correct?:

It's correct apart from the fact that the letter has been published in full by The Register.

[phormwatch]

lol

[HamsterWheel]

Originally Posted by rryles

It was confirmed in an article that has been posted here recently that "Mr Ertugrul’s sister is an FT journalist". This was written by another FT journalist on an FT website so is about as credible as you can get.

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I stand corrected. Still not sure what relevance that has to anything though.

[rryles]

Originally Posted by HamsterWheel

I stand corrected. Still not sure what relevance that has to anything though.

Taken in conjuction with the fact that the FT has discussed using phorm's services and that the FT reports on phorm's activities, it represents a potential conflict of interests.

[Dephormation]

Originally Posted by HamsterWheel

I suspect that what Alex will tell us about the City of London police is something like this :
They've confirmed they've got it, but have far too many cases of international fraud involving substantial amounts of money being stolen etc to devote any meaningful resources to a case where no-one appears to have lost any money or suffered any real harm.
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How dare you try to put a monetary value on civil rights like privacy.

Article 2: Right to Life

What price would you put on my life? Does that mean we shouldn't investigate murders if people of 'insignificant value' are killed?

Article 3: Inhuman treatment

Do you suppose we should ignore inhuman treatment because its not cost effective to prosecute people who commit inhuman acts?

Article 4: Slavery

Self evidently, slaves lives are worthless people. Lets ignore slavery too.

Article 5: Right to Liberty

Perhaps we don't deserve liberty, we can't afford it. Perhaps you should have to buy your liberty. Call it 'liberty tax', pay to stay out of jail. That makes liberty economically viable.

Article 6: Right to a fair trial

A fair trial would be so nice, but its simply unaffordable in Hamsterwheels utopia.

Article 7: Retrospective crimes

Suppose we could criminalise the people who we don't like, then arrest them for past 'offences', and put them in prison. Might save money on public services if they were all in a prison camp?

Article 8: Right to privacy

Either I buy my privacy back from Kent Ertugrul, or I get Phormed. So I wrote my own browser plug in, and switched ISP instead.

Article 9: Freedom of conscience

etc etc

You can't put an economic value on your human rights, and people who take them off you without consent are taking something truly priceless.

BT Directors must be prosecuted.

And Phorm must be stoppped.

Pete.

[phormwatch]

>Taken in conjuction with the fact that the FT has discussed using phorm's services and that the FT reports on phorm's activities, it represents a potential conflict of interests.

He know's that. He just a troll. Ignore him.

[SelfProtection]

Originally Posted by HamsterWheel

I stand corrected. Still not sure what relevance that has to anything though.

If this was so palatable to the British Public then why all the Parliamentary lobbying by Media Advertising Agencies they couldn't possibly have a vested interest "could they"?

[phormwatch]

Let's spend the rest of the afternoon arguing with hammy instead of working on the campaign. That's the most productive use of our time, clearly.

[HamsterWheel]

Dephormation - I have not put any monetary value on privacy.
All I have said is that if our stretched police forces have to decide what resources to devote to investigating crimes including such as a historic privacy infringement and a multi-million pound cheque fraud, I know which one I'd prefer them to concentrate on, and I suspect the majority would agree with me.

[AlexanderHanff]

Originally Posted by HamsterWheel

Dephormation - I have not put any monetary value on privacy.
All I have said is that if our stretched police forces have to decide what resources to devote to investigating crimes including such as a historic privacy infringement and a multi-million pound cheque fraud, I know which one I'd prefer them to concentrate on, and I suspect the majority would agree with me.

And again, your suspicians would be wrong (at least in my case). Banks have insurance to deal with fraud, I would rather the Police are protecting our inalienable human rights than protecting corporate financial interests and I am pretty much certain -most- people would agree with me.

Alexander hanff

[SelfProtection]

Originally Posted by HamsterWheel

Dephormation - I have not put any monetary value on privacy.
All I have said is that if our stretched police forces have to decide what resources to devote to investigating crimes including such as a historic privacy infringement and a multi-million pound cheque fraud, I know which one I'd prefer them to concentrate on, and I suspect the majority would agree with me.

Which majority, more Market Speak, Sorry Guys made my point back on Topic.

[rryles]

Originally Posted by AlexanderHanff

I wouldn't get too excited based on the call I just had with the DS in charge of the case.

Watch this space.

Alexander Hanff

I'm unexcitedly watching this space

Does that mean:

a) The investigation is going to take a long time yet
b) The investigation is nearly complete but they aren't likely to take any further action
c) Something else?

[HamsterWheel]

Originally Posted by AlexanderHanff

Banks have insurance to deal with fraud,

Alexander hanff

And who do you think pays for that insurance and all the losses ?
Ordinary customers like you and me with higher interest rates and bank charges.
Just like all other types of fraud, and people who don't pay their loans back.

And to extend the argument - would you rather Plod devoted their resources to investigating Phorm or to catching a rapist ? With limited resources they should concentrate on the important crimes.

[AlexanderHanff]

Originally Posted by rryles

I'm unexcitedly watching this space

Does that mean:

a) The investigation is going to take a long time yet
b) The investigation is nearly complete but they aren't likely to take any further action
c) Something else?

I have given the officer in charge until 4pm to re-clarify their position before I publish his initial reaction on the phone earlier today. Given his reaction it would really be prudent of him to get back to me because if I was him I would not want my name on an audio recording saying what he said given the attention this issue has received from the EU Commission. Let's just say his initial reaction was very poor and actually very rude; so he has a chance to redeem himself before I go to press.

Alexander Hanff

[rryles]

Originally Posted by AlexanderHanff

I have given the officer in charge until 4pm to re-clarify their position before I publish his initial reaction on the phone earlier today. Given his reaction it would really be prudent of him to get back to me because if I was him I would not want my name on an audio recording saying what he said given the attention this issue has received from the EU Commission. Let's just say his initial reaction was very poor and actually very rude; so he has a chance to redeem himself before I go to press.

Alexander Hanff

Well, let's hope he takes up your generous offer of a second chance.