Brexit (Old)

Originally Posted by nomadking

We were shipping them back.


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It was the European ECONOMIC community before 1993.

The fact remains that countries that are now in the EU, were at peace when they were outside it.

That’s like saying since I got new window locks, high security doors, new alarm system, and CCTV, I haven’t had any burglaries, so it was pointless getting them...

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by jfman

No disagreements from me. I’m quite sure Germany will be better off in the event of no deal Brexit. I agree with the head of the German equivalent of the CBI.

Kempf said a no-deal Brexit would “probably cost Germany a further 0.4 or 0.5 percentage points of growth”.

They narrowly missed out on being in recession on the difference of there being an extra day in the reporting period.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by nomadking

They narrowly missed out on being in recession on the difference of there being an extra day in the reporting period.

However once there is no deal there will be a flight of our financial sector to Frankfurt. Tariffs on UK goods and services can only be a medium-long term gain for an economy like Germany.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by nomadking

"uncertainty" refers to a decision not being made, NOT what the decision is. The "uncertainty" is a result of the Remain side obstructing a decision.

That quote is regarding the cancellation of the x-trail production in Sunderland.

The line going from three shifts to two is for existing models.

Nice try though....

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Hugh

That’s like saying since I got new window locks, high security doors, new alarm system, and CCTV, I haven’t had any burglaries, so it was pointless getting them...

People with all those still get burgled. If you didn't get burgled BEFORE all those were installed, you can't claim those measures prevented burglaries afterwards.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by nomadking

People with all those still get burgled. If you didn't get burgled BEFORE all those were installed, you can't claim those measures prevented burglaries afterwards.

You can claim that they played an additional level of deterrent however

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

The EU may have been officially formed n it's current iteration in 93, but the founding ideology and principals began way back in 1950. Now, what ceased only a few years earlier?

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I'll take the lack of reply as an inability to provide any evidence to the contrary and that despite the age of the above it still holds true

There really is no need to interact with the use of snide/sarcastic comments. Nothing to do with inability, more to do with me only just returning to the forum and not being prepared to be your unpaid researcher.

A further example of how the article is out of date is that it says that EU nationals can come here and claim Jobseekers Allowance whilst looking for work. They can't. What they do to get round this rule has been previously posted.

If you're going to supply a link to reinforce your statements, it would be a good idea to use up to date information.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

You can claim that they played an additional level of deterrent however

I haven't been burgled since i bought a beer fridge

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

There really is no need to interact with the use of snide/sarcastic comments. Nothing to do with inability, more to do with me only just returning to the forum and not being prepared to be your unpaid researcher.

A further example of how the article is out of date is that it says that EU nationals can come here and claim Jobseekers Allowance whilst looking for work. They can't. What they do to get round this rule has been previously posted.

If you're going to supply a link to reinforce your statements, it would be a good idea to use up to date information.

Oh no no you don’t, you implied it wasn’t valid due to the age of the article either post the evidence to support it or agree you have nothing substantive on which to base your claims

Stop trying to twist on 21

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

I haven't been burgled since i bought a beer fridge

Too drunk to notice ?

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Mythica

AKA, throwing your toys out the pram. Brexit is huge, it's not just as simple as leave or remain. If we are to leave it needs to be done properly.

I was involved in the last riots in a minor way due to my job and it's not something for the faint hearted, people are fools to even contemplate it, you're out of your depth in no time and being led by events

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I don't know why you are being so naive. Politics and lies have always gone together.

So that's reason to allow it to happen is it and no they haven't always gone together either, democracys inventors had a novel way to ensure their politicians remained honest, the state would burn their house down if they were caught telling lies, perhaps we can learn something from our enlightened ancestors

Originally Posted by ianch99

Thank God for that! I thought that Mrs May was telling us the truth. I knew there was something fishy going on Argghhh!!! I mentioned Fish .. damnit.

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Ah the smell of taking back control.

Fears Britain will be flooded with chlorinated chicken and hormone-boosted beef as US demands UK DROPS 'barriers' to low-quality food imports in a post-Brexit trade deal



In the land of the free market, weakness is exploited and the world is sharpening its knives ..

They don't want much do they, I see what they're getting, what do we get in return, a part from the chicken? This deal will kill UK farmers, flooded with cheap crap they can't compete with and unable to sell to the EU because our standards have been lowered. Seems like a good way to take back control, surrender your food production to a third party, bozo the failed mayor will probably come out with something pithy like let them eat fish

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Raising genuine concern should not be treat as doom mongering.

Liam Fox, the same Liam Fox who can't get the forty deals he promised in time delivered?

the forty deals that nowhere near completion Liam Fox?

Be fair he has got the faroe islands in the bag so at least we'll get cheap fish, anyone who fancies anything other than fish for a while might be out of luck though

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Originally Posted by jfman

My wisdom tells me it’s impossible for you to speak for 17 million people, and that despite it not being stated on the ballot paper you know exactly what they understood ‘leaving’ to mean.

If ‘leave’ means one thing, and one only, why does the Theresa May deal not fit the bill for some yet it does for others? Why does it not fit Liam Fox’s easiest deal in history? Leave has a very broad range of outcomes that all fall under one umbrella.

You understand what you want from leaving. That’s not the same as everyone understanding, let alone agreeing over it.

There was a leave. EU leaflet that came through my door saying they'd negotiate a better deal before triggering article 50, obviously it was only an aspiration as we all now know they didn't have the power to offer anything more than dreams despite their grandiose claims, so even their vision of leaving wasn't one of walking away without a deal and therefore different to w hats been stated here and they were the ones campaigning

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Another one of Margaret Thatcher's legacies dead and buried; the reputation of the Conservatives for fiscal responsibility.

John major did for that...

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Originally Posted by Hom3r

Here's a hyperthetical question.

The anti Brixit MPS force another referemdum and there are 3 option on the ballot paper and the results are as follow

35% - Remain in the UK.

33% - Leave with no deal

32% - Leave with Mays deal

Would the Remainers say they've won?

Leaving the UK is now an option, I'd vote for that, bye Scotland

[1andrew1]

Interesting article on what happens to Northern Ireland when we exit the backstop.

The only ways to exit the backstop will be either for the entire UK to stay in a customs union and close regulatory alignment on goods, which would probably mean staying in the single market, or to accept that Northern Ireland will have a different relationship with the EU. The Brexit options we spent so much time discussing immediately after the referendum, such as a Canada-style free trade agreement or a closer relationship like Switzerland’s or Ukraine’s, only become possible by leaving Northern Ireland effectively within the EU.
Is leaving the EU’s institutions and the freedom to do trade deals more important than keeping the whole of the UK in a single relationship with the EU? Opinions will differ but it’s a conversation we haven’t really had.

https://flipchartfairytales.wordpres...-go-from-here/

[Sephiroth]

I think we have had the discussion. It was about maintaining the integrity of the UK without being under any form of EU yoke.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

I think we have had the discussion. It was about maintaining the integrity of the UK without being under any form of EU yoke.

Here's your options.
https://flipchartfairytales.wordpres...carousel-11459

Before anyone says no-deal

The Venezuela Option – Quitting with no deal would leave us with a similar relationship to the EU as that of Venezuela. Apart from those countries not under some sort of EU sanctions, it is the only country that has no trading agreements with the EU. Having severed its relationships with the Andean Community and Mercosur, it also has acrimonious relationships with its near neighbours. As a proxy for a No Deal Brexit, then, Venezuela is as close as you can get.

[Carth]

Link was pretty boring (to me) really, nothing new being spouted . .

Did think this part in one of the comments was well worth my time though

"If Brexit is cancelled, I say let’s go full-in for total immersion into the EU, and let the Remainers crow about it. Bring on the full Schengen, abolish the Union Jack and prosecute anyone who dares fly it. All armed forces to be signed over to joint control with the French and Italians (fit some reverse gears to all tanks), and let’s get on with adopting the Euro currency and the whole 9 yards of EU wonderfulness, (or as we’ll have to say, the whole 8.2296 metres). We should drive in kilometres, switch sides of the road, ban pints in pubs, yards on football pitches, and anyone who dares mention the war should be tied up in piano wire and shot.

Enough of being half-in / half-out. It’s boring".

Thanks for the chuckle Andrew

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Carth

Thanks for the chuckle Andrew

Agreed - it is quite amusing