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Old 19-11-2023, 20:16   #1231
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A snap election was never on the cards, was it?

The Conservatives have over a year to turn this around, and in the meantime not only could things improve, but Starmer may well face difficulties of his own.

I wouldn’t write off Rishi Sunak yet. He’s not my choice as Leader but he’s far better than the opposition.
... and do please note who is giving Starmer this particular grief. I worry that a tail might wag the dog and if Rishi is deposed at the GE, then we might have a government ready to appease the 300,000.

Btw, the 300,000 pro-Hamas/Palestinian demonstrators were 110% of the entire UK Jewish population (2021).

I think Rishi understands this but keeps his head down; Suella fully understood this and was fired for her wisdom.
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I wouldn’t write off Rishi Sunak yet. He’s not my choice as Leader but he’s far better than the opposition.
What's he better at, levelling up? Reappointing sacked ministers after they've been sacked only to basically have to sack them again? Asking homeless people if they work in business, he's definitely better at that one

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Suella fully understood this and was fired for her wisdom.
Really I thought Sue Ellen was sacked for criticising the police unnecessarily and having a hand in causing the violence on remembrance sunday, in other words for being deeply unpleasant, not for her wisdom, which seemed in short supply that week anyway
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Really I thought Sue Ellen was sacked for criticising the police unnecessarily and having a hand in causing the violence on remembrance sunday, in other words for being deeply unpleasant, not for her wisdom, which seemed in short supply that week anyway
Suella Braverman had smelt the coffee.
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She certainly gave the impression she'd been sniffing something, not sure it was coffee ...
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Old 19-11-2023, 22:34   #1235
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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...use-conviction

Tory racist to stand down at the next election. Spares Rishi a by election I guess.
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Suella Braverman had smelt the coffee.
Pretty sure it’s not coffee you and Sue-Ellen Cassiana are smelling…
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A snap election was never on the cards, was it?

The Conservatives have over a year to turn this around, and in the meantime not only could things improve, but Starmer may well face difficulties of his own.

I wouldn’t write off Rishi Sunak yet. He’s not my choice as Leader but he’s far better than the opposition.
There were rumours that he would call a snap election if the Lords did not back him against the High Court ruling on Rwanda.

Sunak's the best the Party has, given Johnson's cull of Remainers. If party members like Seph had followed my advice and voted in Sunak instead of Truss, Starmer's job would be harder.

We've not seen Starmer in power so he's hard to judge. He's coming a bit unstuck on the Palestine issue but Sunak's not judged the mood of the country right either on the issue.
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Old 20-11-2023, 08:18   #1238
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Tory racist to stand down at the next election. Spares Rishi a by election I guess.
It doesn't take much to be called a racist in this country, does it? Alwadaei was being a pain and really aggressive. We all say things we don't mean literally when provoked like that. This was just such an occasion.

The law needs amending to inject a bit of common sense into human relationships.
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It doesn't take much to be called a racist in this country, does it? Alwadaei was being a pain and really aggressive. We all say things we don't mean literally when provoked like that. This was just such an occasion.

The law needs amending to inject a bit of common sense into human relationships.
There’s nothing “common sense” about being racist. It should be stamped out, by law if required.

It’s a shame that provocation didn’t allow him time to filter his own thoughts and distill them into an acceptable form of words.

The easiest way, as ever, to not be called racist in this country is to not say racist things.
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A snap election was never on the cards, was it?

The Conservatives have over a year to turn this around, and in the meantime not only could things improve, but Starmer may well face difficulties of his own.

I wouldn’t write off Rishi Sunak yet. He’s not my choice as Leader but he’s far better than the opposition.
I sincerely hoped, when Sunak took over, that he could somehow recover from this dumpster fire of a party, and steer the Tories if not to a narrow win, to at least a Labour minority government but he's now been proven to be completely impotent as Prime Minister.

He has shown nothing, absolutely nothing. Instead of doing something, anything about the Cost of Living, Small boats, Immigration, Crime......he's talking about Maths until you're 18 and incremental smoking bans.

He is just presiding over poorly managed decline, and again, and again Labour politicians and Starmer go on TV and say nothing, offer nothing their tactic is to shut the F'up because they will win a majority that way.
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There’s nothing “common sense” about being racist.
Except there is.
Like many things these days its been hijacked by a few to be used when "common sense" clearly shows its not.
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There’s nothing “common sense” about being racist. It should be stamped out, by law if required.

It’s a shame that provocation didn’t allow him time to filter his own thoughts and distill them into an acceptable form of words.

The easiest way, as ever, to not be called racist in this country is to not say racist things.
I am sure you are the perfect human being, jfman, who has never said an unkind word to anyone, even when prodded and provoked mercilessly.

Although that is not my experience when dealing with your barbs on this forum.

My point, to get back to it, was that a simple comment in response to provocation, does not mean you are a racist.

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I sincerely hoped, when Sunak took over, that he could somehow recover from this dumpster fire of a party, and steer the Tories if not to a narrow win, to at least a Labour minority government but he's now been proven to be completely impotent as Prime Minister.

He has shown nothing, absolutely nothing. Instead of doing something, anything about the Cost of Living, Small boats, Immigration, Crime......he's talking about Maths until you're 18 and incremental smoking bans.

He is just presiding over poorly managed decline, and again, and again Labour politicians and Starmer go on TV and say nothing, offer nothing their tactic is to shut the F'up because they will win a majority that way.
Sunak should never have taken over. We need somebody strong to lead this country and someone to face down these lazy name calling cancel merchants who continually take a holier than thou attitude and preach woke nonsense.

We have lost our way and Labour would only take us into a very dark tunnel from which we may never emerge.
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I am sure you are the perfect human being, jfman, who has never said an unkind word to anyone, even when prodded and provoked mercilessly.

Although that is not my experience when dealing with your barbs on this forum.

My point, to get back to it, was that a simple comment in response to provocation, does not mean you are a racist.

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Sunak should never have taken over. We need somebody strong to lead this country and someone to face down these lazy name calling cancel merchants who continually take a holier than thou attitude and preach woke nonsense.

We have lost our way and Labour would only take us into a very dark tunnel from which we may never emerge.
Any proof of this or is it your typical lazy thinking as the Conservatives have been in power 14 years and in that time have gutted public services and local services and everything else along the way..
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Tory racist to stand down at the next election. Spares Rishi a by election I guess.
Having now read the article, I find nothing racist in the altercation.

Alwadaei confronted Stewart at the Bahrainian embassy, shouting at him.

Alwadaei, who is originally from Bahrain.

Stewart shouted, “go back to Bahrain”.

Where’s the racism, if Alwadaei was actually born in the U.K. you could argue Stewart made a racial assumption, which could be argued to be racist, but on this occasion he was wholly accurate.

If I was in Bahrain and shouted something similar to a Bahrainian politician, (for which I would no doubt be arrested) and the MP said to me “ go back to England” . I doubt anyone would construe that as racist.
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Any proof of this or is it your typical lazy thinking as the Conservatives have been in power 14 years and in that time have gutted public services and local services and everything else along the way..
During which time we have had austerity following the election of the Conservatives, hampered by the coalition with the Lib Dems, two odd years of Covid that Starmer would have mishandled due to his obsession with lockdowns and restrictions, and on top of that, the Ukraine war.

The civil service is doing a pretty good job of destroying public services, for example with its failure to direct money being injected into the NHS, preferring instead to spend hundreds of thousands of pounds on making woke appointments rather than into front line services.
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