Post-Brexit Thread

Originally Posted by Ramrod

How can she invoke article 50 if she is legally blocked from doing so?
In addition we have Tony Blair, John Major, Nick Clegg, Tim Farron etc, etc, vowing to do their best to block it and get a second referendum. Then we have the ongoing legal challenge (and others in the pipeline). On top of that we have Soros in the wings who is no doubt pumping money into pro EU pressure groups.
Buy you are right. Nothing to worry about, May has said that her March deadline will be adhered to, so we can all kick back and chill.
Seriously.......some remainers are p*ss*ng on our legs and telling us that it's raining

Quite simple.

Take out a full page ad in the nationals listing all the mp's who are remoaners of ALL parties. Instruct the constituencies to deselect all the Tory mp's who are trying to block this.

Replace with the right-minded people, you know, those who actually carry out the electorates wishes.

Call a snap election - never mind the 5 year fixed parliament rule, invoke a vote of no confidence. We know the SNP are up for that, don't really see anyway the Labour party could vote in favour of the government.

Theresa gets back in with a 150-200 majority, pass an immediate law repealing the entire act - remoaners, stuff your Article 50 - and away we go....

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Actually, she was advised by the majority of the population of the UK, as the Referendum was advisory.

Actually, she was advised by the minority of the population of the UK ... wink wink

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by OhReally

Or more specifically that clod Cameron told us whatever the result was that was binding -of course he stupidly thought remain would win.

It wasn't just Cameron. It was the rest of the remain bigwigs as well.

Originally Posted by ianch99

Actually, she was advised by the minority of the population of the UK ... wink wink

If you want to try that straw man argument we haven't had a "government" for a couple of hundred years.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Actually, she was advised by the minority of the population of the UK ... wink wink

You forget that the remain voters were in even more of a minority

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

You forget that the remain voters were in even more of a minority

Glad we got there in the end: you accept the Leave voters are a minority of the population. Mery Christmas!

---------- Post added at 23:21 ---------- Previous post was at 23:06 ----------

Originally Posted by OhReally

If you want to try that straw man argument we haven't had a "government" for a couple of hundred years.

You are getting confused here. I am just correcting all the statements made where posters are claiming that the "population has decided".

Just stick to the facts. The votes cast in the referendum met the 50% required to decide the result. That's all you can deduce from this.

People voted Leave for a myriad of reasons so there is no one size fits all solution here. There may be solutions that fit the aspirations of the ring wing Leavers and there may be significantly different ones that would fit the choices of the more moderate voters.

So please don't claim "the country decided this" or "the people voted for that".

We are where we are. Mrs May has to get the best deal for the country as a whole. She is not constrained by Commandments from the Holy Book of Brexit.

Rather, she lives in the real world where she does not want to pursue a fractured, divided and less prosperous United Kingdom. She understands that to pursue an agenda based on dogma rather than common and financial sense would be folly.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

You forget that the remain voters were in even more of a minority

Calm down RR as the way you are going you might end up with a heart attack. as there is more to life then Brexit for the vast majority of us.

Originally Posted by Ramrod

You can wink at me all you want m8. We were told by both the government and the remain campaign leaders that a vote to leave was a vote to leave the EU and that's what would would happen. We were'nt told that it was 'advisory'. They were quite specific. I'm waiting.

What does it matter if it was advisory or binding in law,we are leaving.The only thing that you and all the other militant brexiters seem unable to accept is that the government does not have the authority to start the process.I'm perfectly happy to let parliament take control ,it is part of what we voted for

---------- Post added at 07:02 ---------- Previous post was at 06:54 ----------

Originally Posted by OhReally

Quite simple.

Take out a full page ad in the nationals listing all the mp's who are remoaners of ALL parties. Instruct the constituencies to deselect all the Tory mp's who are trying to block this.

Replace with the right-minded people, you know, those who actually carry out the electorates wishes.

Call a snap election - never mind the 5 year fixed parliament rule, invoke a vote of no confidence. We know the SNP are up for that, don't really see anyway the Labour party could vote in favour of the government.

Theresa gets back in with a 150-200 majority, pass an immediate law repealing the entire act - remoaners, stuff your Article 50 - and away we go....

So in actual fact you think we should start behaving just like the dictatorial EU bloc we just voted to leave because we said they where undemocratic .Sounds to like you want rid of one undemocratic authority only to replace it with one of your choosing

---------- Post added at 07:10 ---------- Previous post was at 07:02 ----------

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Tariff free trade deals is a red herring, it makes no real difference if something costs 5% more for instance, the thing not covered by trade deals, tariff free or not is services which is something no one yet seems to concerned about, they're going to be though, very concerned.

Tariff free trade has made no difference to prices of goods in the UK "rip off Britain"is as true now as it has ever been.All this crap about prices will go up when we leave is just an excuse to raise prices imo

Originally Posted by martyh

So in actual fact you think we should start behaving just like the dictatorial EU bloc we just voted to leave because we said they where undemocratic .Sounds to like you want rid of one undemocratic authority only to replace it with one of your choosing

Which part of the "have an election" did you miss? If Theresa wins a general election with a 150-200 majority then there's no dictatorship she's implementing what the vast majority of the country will have just voted for.

That's what you call a democracy

You may not like it.

Originally Posted by OhReally

Which part of the "have an election" did you miss? If Theresa wins a general election with a 150-200 majority then there's no dictatorship she's implementing what the vast majority of the country will have just voted for.

That's what you call a democracy

You may not like it.

Which part of "instruct the constituencies to deselect all Tory mp's who are trying to block this" did you forget you wrote

Basically you want rid of anyone that doesn't agree with you ,MP's have to be anti Europe ,ignore election rules because they are inconvenient.You have a very peculiar idea of democracy

Originally Posted by martyh

Which part of "instruct the constituencies to deselect all Tory mp's who are trying to block this" did you forget you wrote

Basically you want rid of anyone that doesn't agree with you ,MP's have to be anti Europe ,ignore election rules because they are inconvenient.You have a very peculiar idea of democracy

Each political party selects their own candidates, they always have. As part of that selection process the local constituency parties interview the candidates to determine if their views are in line with that of the party.

Is that a better explanation?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by OhReally

Each political party selects their own candidates, they always have. As part of that selection process the local constituency parties interview the candidates to determine if their views are in line with that of the party.

Is that a better explanation?

MPs are allowed some leeway aren't they? Boris Johnson's views on Saudi Arabia haven't led to his deselection, for example.

Originally Posted by OhReally

Each political party selects their own candidates, they always have. As part of that selection process the local constituency parties interview the candidates to determine if their views are in line with that of the party.

Is that a better explanation?

My point is that you want to force a viewpoint on people so they can only vote one particular way to give only one result .You simply cannot deselect serving mp's because they refuse to think the way you want them to think on one particular subject and then to name and shame them for having the same viewpoint as a very large portion of the country .The more i read your post the more horrifying it becomes and the more i want to distance myself from Brexiters like you

---------- Post added at 06:48 ---------- Previous post was at 06:45 ----------

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

MPs are allowed some leeway aren't they? Boris Johnson's views on Saudi Arabia haven't led to his deselection, for example.

Apparently not ,it seems that unless all mp's conform to a single viewpoint then they will named and shamed in the press ,possibly even the side of a bus

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by martyh

Apparently not ,it seems that unless all mp's conform to a single viewpoint then they will named and shamed in the press ,possibly even the side of a bus

Originally Posted by OhReally

As part of that selection process the local constituency parties interview the candidates to determine if their views are in line with that of the party.

I wasn't sure if this sentence was lifted from a USSR KGB manual or not!

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I wasn't sure if this sentence was lifted from a USSR KGB manual or not!

is this any help -its long and boring enjoy

https://www.instituteforgovernment.o...y%20People.pdf

Before aspirants can sit the PAB they must attend an informal meeting with either a member of the
party field staff or a senior party volunteer. They must also complete and return to CCHQ
candidates department an application form, requiring three references. We were told that
candidates who are not approved at this stage are given feedback and advice about the steps they
should take to gain the relevant skills and experiences necessary to pass the PAB in future. The
possibility remains, however, that this preliminary stage could be used as a pretext to block
candidates for reasons other than a lack of appropriate skills.
Box 1: The Parliamentary Assessment Board Framework
Tasks Competencies
1. Competency interview 1. Communication skills
2. Public Speaking 2. Intellectual skills
3. In Tray exercise 3. Relating to people
4. Group Exercise 4. Leading and motivating
5. Psychometric test 5. Resilience and drive
(later changed to a written essay) 6. Political Conviction