Brexit (Old)

[djfunkdup]

Originally Posted by Angua

You forgot: -

5) Those who voted leave and realise what a huge mistake they made.

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[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Contrite phrases cannot dismiss the words of Jaguar Land Rover. And how would his statement increase his pension? I doubt you or anyone believes it would!

The bit that you missed referred to the very small size of the survey and indicated the information was nothing more than propaganda. This put the words of Jaguar Land Rover in context, which you deliberately left out of the copy of the article.

The problem here is, Andrew, tnat you have a mindset which is unable to grasp that there are also upsides to leaving the EU, which might just outweigh all these downsides that you seize on with great relish.

Even Barnier admits that we are 90% there now withba Brexit deal, and all the unlikely stories we heard about what the EU will not agree to are being conveniently forgotten now. The only real problem remaining is the NI border, but much of the agitation about this is contrived.

A solution will be found. Frankly, even with a hard Brexit, this particular problem will remain, so it will be resolved one way or the other.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Not looking good for Theresa May.

No, it's not, so perhaps you will help to support her, or there will be no deal with the EU. Some more positive comments, please, instead of all the depressing claptrap of Project Fear.

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Originally Posted by Angua

You forgot: -

5) Those who voted leave and realise what a huge mistake they made.

I have yet to meet a single person with that view, Angua.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Angua

You forgot: -

5) Those who voted leave and realise what a huge mistake they made.

6) Those who voted remain and now realise how undemocratic & awful the hegemonist EU is.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

6) Those who voted remain and now realise how undemocratic & awful the hegemonist EU is.

I doubt that they can even pronounce your favourite 'h' word, let alone know the meaning of it.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

6) Those who voted remain and now realise how undemocratic & awful the hegemonist EU is.

First, it actually isn't undemocratic. We don't directly vote for it, but then we don't directly vote for anyone in the cabinet. In the case of our government, it's picked by the party with the greatest number of seats. In the case of the EU, the decisions are made by a group that is not directly elected, but then implemented by the (in theory) elected governments of each member. So, the people who are telling you that the EU is bad because of all these awful restrictions we have are the ones choosing to implement those restrictions.

As for hegemonist. Odd that you should say that when we, a relatively small nation, managed to create a huge empire. The ultimate hegemony.

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

The bit that you missed referred to the very small size of the survey and indicated the information was nothing more than propaganda. This put the words of Jaguar Land Rover in context, which you deliberately left out of the copy of the article.

The problem here is, Andrew, tnat you have a mindset which is unable to grasp that there are also upsides to leaving the EU, which might just outweigh all these downsides that you seize on with great relish.

Even Barnier admits that we are 90% there now withba Brexit deal, and all the unlikely stories we heard about what the EU will not agree to are being conveniently forgotten now. The only real problem remaining is the NI border, but much of the agitation about this is contrived.

A solution will be found. Frankly, even with a hard Brexit, this particular problem will remain, so it will be resolved one way or the other.

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No, it's not, so perhaps you will help to support her, or there will be no deal with the EU. Some more positive comments, please, instead of all the depressing claptrap of Project Fear.

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I have yet to meet a single person with that view, Angua.

you soon will when we fall of the cliff edge OB

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Stuart

First, it actually isn't undemocratic. We don't directly vote for it, but then we don't directly vote for anyone in the cabinet. In the case of our government, it's picked by the party with the greatest number of seats. In the case of the EU, the decisions are made by a group that is not directly elected, but then implemented by the (in theory) elected governments of each member. So, the people who are telling you that the EU is bad because of all these awful restrictions we have are the ones choosing to implement those restrictions. [SEPH]: That is an upside down, inside out, poorly thought through argument. All of the UK government are elected MPs and accountable to their electors. None of the European Commission are elected by anyone and thus not accountable except to the extent that they follow exactly what the policy set by the European Council is. Your final sentence above makes little sense, I'm afraid.

As for hegemonist. Odd that you should say that when we, a relatively small nation, managed to create a huge empire. The ultimate hegemony. [SEPH]: What the hell has that irrelevance got to do with the situation today? Are you short of good argument?

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Dave42

you soon will when we fall of the cliff edge OB

Ah, but did you notice the mattress below when you looked down, Dave?

Incidentally, if you don't want a hard Brexit, presumably you are now rooting for Theresa. After all, we will only avoid a 'cliff edge' if Theresa negotiates that deal with the EU.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Ah, but did you notice the mattress below when you looked down, Dave?

Incidentally, if you don't want a hard Brexit, presumably you are now rooting for Theresa. After all, we will only avoid a 'cliff edge' if Theresa negotiates that deal with the EU.

Are you trying to drum up support for the beleaguered Theresa May? If so, I think it's the likes of mutinous Rees-Mogg and treacherous BoJo whom you should be turning your attention too as unlike Dave, they have a vote in Parliament.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

The bit that you missed referred to the very small size of the survey and indicated the information was nothing more than propaganda. This put the words of Jaguar Land Rover in context, which you deliberately left out of the copy of the article.

The problem here is, Andrew, tnat you have a mindset which is unable to grasp that there are also upsides to leaving the EU, which might just outweigh all these downsides that you seize on with great relish.

Even Barnier admits that we are 90% there now withba Brexit deal, and all the unlikely stories we heard about what the EU will not agree to are being conveniently forgotten now. The only real problem remaining is the NI border, but much of the agitation about this is contrived.

A solution will be found. Frankly, even with a hard Brexit, this particular problem will remain, so it will be resolved one way or the other.

---------- Post added at 16:08 ---------- Previous post was at 16:04 ----------



No, it's not, so perhaps you will help to support her, or there will be no deal with the EU. Some more positive comments, please, instead of all the depressing claptrap of Project Fear.

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I have yet to meet a single person with that view, Angua.

You may wish to direct that comment to the ERG, Davis, Bojo, et al, who I am sure have a higher profile with the EU negotiatiors than some posters on CF...

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Damien

It's going to be like this for a while even after we leave. The country is divided and I don't see it stopping anytime soon.

Leavers knew that the consequences of a leave vote would mean years of uncertainty and an ongoing debate about the relationship with the EU. So why they're complaining about a situation of their own making is somewhat bewildering.

[ianch99]

I know some wanted it to rain yesterday but it was glorious sunshine. Maybe the sun shines on the righteous?

Here are some pictures to prove I actually did get off my arse, travelled to London and exercised my right to protest:

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I like this one especially:

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We met a few other protesters there .. which was nice .. over half a million I think.

Government starting to take this more seriously:

Civil servants ‘war-gaming a second Brexit referendum’ amid impasse fears

Next step writing to our MPs .. game on!

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by ianch99

I know some wanted it to rain yesterday but it was glorious sunshine. Maybe the sun shines on the righteous?

Here are some pictures to prove I actually did get off my arse, travelled to London and exercised my right to protest:

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I like this one especially:

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We met a few other protesters there .. which was nice .. over half a million I think.

Government starting to take this more seriously:

Civil servants ‘war-gaming a second Brexit referendum’ amid impasse fears

Next step writing to our MPs .. game on!

The truth is no one gave it a second thought .

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

The truth is no one gave it a second thought .

700,000 ?? A good turn out I'd say.. Peaceful protest shouldn't be ridiculed.

Would riots get more of an audience as Brexiters have threatened if they don't get the 'pure' Brexit they want ? Suspect most of them would just post rants on the Daily Fail/Torygraph rather than get off their elderly backsides.

All words and no action is the Brexit modus operandi.. Boris/ the Moggster are perfect examples. TM is safe if those wet blankets are her main rivals.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Gavin78

I wish remain would stop posting crap all the time about a 2nd referendum or lets have a march because we don't respect the ones that voted leave.

Imagine the Leave campaign in the event of a second referendum? Will they be in televised debates claiming how easy it will be to get a trade deal with the EU, how easy it will be to sign trade deals around the world, how leaving won't harm the economy. Who will now believe what they're saying?
When they line up their illegal money for Facebook ads, Nick Clegg will be watching and stop them.
For all the reasons above, Leave doesn't want a People's Vote. They know they can't win any vote without lying and cheating and enlisting the aid of foreign governments that are hostile to this great country of ours.