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mertle · 06-06-2008, 16:39

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Originally Posted by Florence

Correct that is what they used it for not for monitoring everypage read exactly what I see as if they were sitting at the side of me then sel this information on for monatory gain.

On another note noticed phorm shares are down and phorm is in the bottm 4

MEC.L -35.16
PHRM.L -35.42
YELL.L -40.94
JPR.L -46.69

just been on this website shows a graph of phorm share plunge. Yet they still say phorm a good investment.

Which means the moneymen think this will blow away that is worry. Do they know something we dont.

http://www.reuters.com/finance/stock...?symbol=PHOR.L

popper · 06-06-2008, 16:40

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Wikileaks has what looks like an internal BT memo about the adware trial
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Dephormation · 06-06-2008, 17:06

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Originally Posted by mertle

Which means the moneymen think this will blow away that is worry. Do they know something we dont.

Ask SCO how quickly a tech share price can collapse if you don't tell the truth.

Florence · 06-06-2008, 17:18

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Originally Posted by Dephormation

Ask SCO how quickly a tech share price can collapse if you don't tell the truth.

Hey at least lets get the AGM over and perhaps sell BT shares while we can still keep our shirt

really dont want to sell them till after the AGM if I can get her to sell...

Dephormation · 06-06-2008, 17:37

For anyone planning travel to London for the demo on 15/16/17 July... Megatrain.co.uk seem to have some good deals.

http://www.megatrain.co.uk/uk/

eg;

15:52 Depart Bristol Temple Meads Arrive London Waterloo 18:45 1 seat = Ã‚Â£1.00

Pete

SMHarman · 06-06-2008, 18:03

Getting back to the basics of the Phorm selling USP. To protect from Phishing. That BT test made absolutely no reference to these capabilities, highlighting again that it, to my mind is an afterthought add on to make the whole DPI process have a level of paletability in the eyes of the user, else it would be like a Tesco Clubcard without the cashback, who would want one of those?

mark777 · 06-06-2008, 20:16

I've spent the last hour or so going through the leaked document again and it's still mind-boggling how much 'dirt' is in there.

One thing comes across very strongly and many people have remarked upon it; the emphasis on 'transparency'. This is transparency in BT/Phorm terms i.e. covert.

They quote a 0.1% detection rate. That's high given the percentage of people with the technical savvy to understand that there may be a problem.

They also address the issue of 'navigation bar flutter'. Clearly, this was not sorted for the 2007 trial because it was spotted by users.

Now the user base, or certainly the tech savvy user base, is primed and looking for it. They will find it nearly impossible to proceed 'transparently'.

They have also completely failed to 'manage' perceptions.

Hence no trial?

Dephormation · 06-06-2008, 20:29

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Originally Posted by mark777

Hence no trial?

I'm sure there will be a trial, just not that kind of trial.

They can't run a technical trial until they fix the leaking email cookie issue... that means Phorm must not run a bt.com domain (or BT must fix their porous siteminder implementation).

And arguably its too late anyway. They have leaked so many email addresses/customer account numbers/ip addresses to Phorm you would have to do a lot to convince anyone Webwise was really anonymous.

IMHO they've blown it. And probably know it too.

And that's before you start considering the legal issues. RIPA, Copyright, etc.

Its a train wreck.

Wildie · 06-06-2008, 20:39

on a side note found this http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ls-emails.html
talk about abuse of powers.

Dephormation · 06-06-2008, 20:50

davethejag · 06-06-2008, 20:55

HI, BT trials reported here -

http://news.zdnet.co.uk/communicatio...9430496,00.htm

http://www.telecoms.com/itmgcontent/...017540361.html

http://www.computing.co.uk/computing...l-action-phorm

http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/news/index.cfm?newsid=13320

Dave.

mark777 · 06-06-2008, 21:35

@Dephormation

Pete,

that train reminds me of a graph of their share price.

Florence · 06-06-2008, 21:39

Just needs flipping over to look the same

Dephormation · 06-06-2008, 21:45

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Originally Posted by mark777

that train reminds me of a graph of their share price.

Curious, near perfect fit;

mark777 · 06-06-2008, 22:02

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Originally Posted by Dephormation

Curious, near perfect fit;

That's what you get when you drive a train around upstairs, where it doesn't belong.

Or put a snoop box into an ISP for that matter.

That's a great pic, needs blowing up for the demo and put on a stick!

EDIT: "It's a train wreck" would be a good punchline for the BT shareholders. (Handout leaflets etc.)