Black Lives Matter

Originally Posted by Mythica

And to some people, white lives don't matter. Not sure either relates to anyone on here though.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by tweetiepooh

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While it's good to celebrate diversity it seems that some minority groups want to impose their culture on the majority. This does have some justification if the majority have tried to quash the minority in order to preserve the minority culture but any attempt to impose by force (physical or otherwise) just creates climates of hostility.

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I'd like to home in on the highlighted bit.

"Black" citizens as per the BLM cause do not want to impose their culture on the majority. They just don't want to be victimised by the majority.

But there is at least one other minority group, rapidly growing in size, that doesn't do multi-culture and, through its enforcers, would ultimately be intolerant of dissenters.

What I have pointed out gets swept under the carpet and whilst I have no doubt that the BLM movement's requirements are capable of being met without detriment to the British culture (such as it is), intolerant minority groups of growing size are a real threat for our culture.

I’m trying really hard (and failing) to think of any examples of black culture being forced on me ...

Minority culture can only work it's way into the mainstream culture if it's popular enough to do so. It can't force a way through.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Chris

I’m trying really hard (and failing) to think of any examples of black culture being forced on me ...

I hope you've understood me correctly.

I said:

"Black" citizens as per the BLM cause do not want to impose their culture on the majority. They just don't want to be victimised by the majority.

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Originally Posted by Damien

Minority culture can only work it's way into the mainstream culture if it's popular enough to do so. It can't force a way through.

Except through higher birth rate.

[tweetiepooh]

Never said blacks imposing culture or was an aim of BLM it is true that it can happen and movements like BLM or it's aims can be hijacked for those purposes.

We do need to address the issues of racism in our institutions (can't do much on a personal level). And we do need to make sure that all people can take advantage of all opportunities. We Brits are pretty good at taking onboard other cultures but could still be better.

[Taf]

Filmed during the BLM protest in London. Someone didn't realise that the symbol they were spraying onto buses, t shirts and bags is a white supremacist logo.

*Unable to attach the video as this site only allows tiny 1Mb WMV files*

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Chris

I’m trying really hard (and failing) to think of any examples of black culture being forced on me ...

Apart from Snoop Doggy Dog, me too!

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by tweetiepooh

Never said blacks imposing culture or was an aim of BLM it is true that it can happen and movements like BLM or it's aims can be hijacked for those purposes.

We do need to address the issues of racism in our institutions (can't do much on a personal level). And we do need to make sure that all people can take advantage of all opportunities. We Brits are pretty good at taking onboard other cultures but could still be better.

I'm profoundly disturbed at the goings on.

The UK is nowhere near the same state of discrimination (and its consequences) as the USA. Yet the "knee on neck" event has morphed into a sort of violent "me too".

You talk about not taking over our culture. But our culture is evolution from our history, including the stages when we engaged in the slave trade. But the essence of our culture is attacked when Churchill is daubed as a racist; where the poxy lefty students no platform people because they aren't poxy lefties. Remember we abolished slavery long before the USA so the cases are nowhere near the same. Yet out on the streets they promptly came to breach the peace.

The assault on our culture has to be as attacked as the further evolution away from any injustices that remain which will be a slow process as there is no quick fix.

Originally Posted by Pierre

Apart from Snoop Doggy Dog, me too!

The only culture I have ever had imposed upon me was Ed Sheeran.

Every radio station there he is.
Walking around shopping he is playing on the store sound system.
Open Apple Music or Spotify, they want you to listen to Ed Sheeran.
Watch Game of Thrones? There is Ed Sheeran.
Walk downstairs, he is sitting in your living room.

He is everywhere. It's awful. I just want it to stop.

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

You talk about not taking over our culture. But our culture is evolution from our history, including the stages when we engaged in the slave trade. But the essence of our culture is attacked when Churchill is daubed as a racist; where the poxy lefty students no platform people because they aren't poxy lefties. Remember we abolished slavery long before the USA so the cases are nowhere near the same. Yet out on the streets they promptly came to breach the peace.

The assault on our culture has to be as attacked as the further evolution away from any injustices that remain which will be a slow process as there is no quick fix.

I would say overzealous 'lefties' at universities is a long-standing part of the culture too. These people are a minority though. Even at Universities, the more radical ones are in a minority.

I don't think you'll find many students who would approve of vandalising the Chruchill statue either. That's the more radical element making themselves known along with a few fellow travellers who get a bit intoxicated by the energy of the protest. The concept of Churchill being a racist will get wider acceptance but not attacking the statue.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Damien

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I would say overzealous 'lefties' at universities is a long-standing part of the culture too. These people are a minority though. Even at Universities, the more radical ones are in a minority.

I don't think you'll find many students who would approve of vandalising the Chruchill statue either. That's the more radical element making themselves known along with a few fellow travellers who get a bit intoxicated by the energy of the protest. The concept of Churchill being a racist will get wider acceptance but not attacking the statue.

The problem with what you've said is that this is the thin edge of the wedge.

No platforming is a very dangerous affront because it prevents impressionable students from hearing other views that what the lefty hierarchy want them to hear. Such zealots often make the top of the Students Union tree or other levers of student power.

The scale of damage done by demonstrators trying to eradicate our history goes beyond the scale of the problem.

We have spent decades bending over backwards for the minorities and it's always the ethnic Brits who are the baddies, the institutionalist racists. The assault on our culture is real.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

The problem with what you've said is that this is the thin edge of the wedge.

No platforming is a very dangerous affront because it prevents impressionable students from hearing other views that what the lefty hierarchy want them to hear. Such zealots often make the top of the Students Union tree or other levers of student power.

The scale of damage done by demonstrators trying to eradicate our history goes beyond the scale of the problem.

We have spent decades bending over backwards for the minorities and it's always the ethnic Brits who are the baddies, the institutionalist racists. The assault on our culture is real.

They don't want to eradicate our history, they would just like a less whitewashed version of it...

Our culture has always been about adapting and including - cultures grow, because if they get static, they decay; you know, cultural institutions like tea (from India), curries (mostly from Bangladesh), Punch and Judy (Italian), the Women's Institute (Canada), the C of E (breakaway from the RC church), our Royalty (Sax-Coburg-Gotha), the English Language (Latin and Germanic roots), etc., etc.

Every culture is an amalgam of the cultures around it combined with their own particular cultural experience and history

[downquark1]

Originally Posted by Hugh

They don't want to eradicate our history, they would just like a less whitewashed version of it...

Can you offer specifics?

[Carth]

Originally Posted by Hugh

They don't want to eradicate our history, they would just like a less whitewashed version of it...

Originally Posted by downquark1

Can you offer specifics?

I'm not even sure he's allowed to use the word 'whitewashed'?

anyway, history is history, if you start taking the bits out that you don't like, it becomes a fairy tale

[downquark1]

Everyone whitewashing their history, the Romanians have a must higher opinion of Vlad the impaler than they do of Winston Churchill.

That doesn't make it OK, but never give anyone a blank cheque to rewrite your history.