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Old 29-09-2019, 18:07   #721
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Except that they are being called traitors because they are ignoring the result of the referendum. Not because they voted 'remain'. You are deliberately skewing the argument here, Andrew.

By the way, if we can't leave with a suitable deal, we will leave without one. You may not think that's possible. Watch and learn.
They aren’t ignoring the result of the referendum. Leaving with a deal is leaving.
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Old 29-09-2019, 18:08   #722
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Except that they are being called traitors because they are ignoring the result of the referendum. Not because they voted 'remain'. You are deliberately skewing the argument here, Andrew.

By the way, if we can't leave with a suitable deal, we will leave without one. You may not think that's possible. Watch and learn.
No skewing going on from my end Old Boy. Traitorous is a provocative term. No ifs, buts or maybes and if the wrong people hear it used this way, it can lead to regrettable acts.
Underestimate law-makers at your peril. I think the attorney general is no match for those who drafted the anti-no-deal bill.
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I'm sure they don't but it would comply with the "Surrender Act" as specified.
Can we stop the deliberate use of pejorative terms designed to wind people up? This just goads people and encourages responses which gets the debate nowhere.
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Can we stop the deliberate use of pejorative terms designed to wind people up? This just goads people and encourages responses which gets the debate nowhere.
What. Like “Brexit”?
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Old 29-09-2019, 18:13   #725
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When your donors have £8bn bet against Britain’s economy, and for a plunging value of the pound, it’s laughable to call anyone a traitor.
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Except that they are being called traitors because they are ignoring the result of the referendum. Not because they voted 'remain'. You are deliberately skewing the argument here, Andrew.

By the way, if we can't leave with a suitable deal, we will leave without one. You may not think that's possible. Watch and learn.
Your attitude, echoed by others, is based on assumption that you, and by inference, your position regards the current situation is without flaw or weakness. Whether you have arrived here through your own personal deliberations or by the acceptance of opinions from the various Leave leaning media sources probably is secondary. What is important is that this attitude, currently being espoused by Cummins et al. in No 10, is a sinister one.

It is sinister in that is allows no fault or challenge. It ignores the many facts that would, if presented alongside, would render it impotent. The subliminal message of this campaign is to encourage the weak minded to violence, rioting, etc. Moreover, it presents the challenge that if you attempt to argue with this process, the consequences would be dire.

Johnson's behaviour in the Commons is no accident. It is part of the plan. 2016 proved the playbook works. Just reuse it again.
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They aren’t ignoring the result of the referendum. Leaving with a deal is leaving.
The result of the referendum was to leave. If it can be done with a deal then fair enough, no problem. Boris and his team are actively trying to come to one.

The difference is to say you can't leave without one does go against the referendum result.

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Can we stop the deliberate use of pejorative terms designed to wind people up? This just goads people and encourages responses which gets the debate nowhere.
I will continue to use the use of that term as long as it means we have to surrender to the EU's terms.
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Traitors is a bit strong.

Liars, cheats, charlatans, con-artists, fakes, frauds, turncoats, deceivers ...,..but not traitors
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Old 29-09-2019, 18:30   #729
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The result of the referendum was to leave. If it can be done with a deal then fair enough, no problem. Boris and his team are actively trying to come to one.
£8bn bet against the British economy says otherwise.

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The difference is to say you can't leave without one does go against the referendum result.
Nobody says he can’t. Just needs Parliamentary approval.

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I will continue to use the use of that term as long as it means we have to surrender to the EU's terms.
And when we surrender the NHS to American health insurance companies?

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Traitors is a bit strong.

Liars, cheats, charlatans, con-artists, fakes, frauds, turncoats, deceivers ...,..but not traitors
That’s no way to talk about the Liberal Democrat’s
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£8bn bet against the British economy says otherwise.



Nobody says he can’t. Just needs Parliamentary approval.



And when we surrender the NHS to American health insurance companies?

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That’s no way to talk about the Liberal Democrat’s
That is nothing more than speculation. No Government would scrap the NHS.
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Old 29-09-2019, 18:50   #731
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Traitors is a bit strong.

Liars, cheats, charlatans, con-artists, fakes, frauds, turncoats, deceivers ...,..but not traitors
A traitor is defined as a person who betrays someone or something, such as a friend, cause or principle.

Nothing wrong with the word in that context.
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Your attitude, echoed by others, is based on assumption that you, and by inference, your position regards the current situation is without flaw or weakness. Whether you have arrived here through your own personal deliberations or by the acceptance of opinions from the various Leave leaning media sources probably is secondary. What is important is that this attitude, currently being espoused by Cummins et al. in No 10, is a sinister one.

It is sinister in that is allows no fault or challenge. It ignores the many facts that would, if presented alongside, would render it impotent. The subliminal message of this campaign is to encourage the weak minded to violence, rioting, etc. Moreover, it presents the challenge that if you attempt to argue with this process, the consequences would be dire.

Johnson's behaviour in the Commons is no accident. It is part of the plan. 2016 proved the playbook works. Just reuse it again.
Spot on. "S____ Bill" is the new "£350m a week". They want that kind of language used to try and win over Brexit Party voters in the* November election.
*predicted
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I would describe the word as something where someone has committed treason against it's own country.
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A traitor is defined as a person who betrays someone or something, such as a friend, cause or principle.

Nothing wrong with the word in that context.
This is not about definitions from the OED or Collins, Old Boy. It's the impact that this type of strong and emotive language has on some people when in common use by people in positions of power.
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That is nothing more than speculation. No Government would scrap the NHS.
It’s on the shopping list for the free market capitalists. If that’s the price of a trade deal with the USA just watch us surrender.
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