UK & EU Agree Post-Brexit Trade Deal

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

An election after we have left? Absolutely.

So you concede it's not about a bold policy platform in the next session?

I really don't see why this is a bone of contention for Leavers.

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Originally Posted by nomadking

So what is the mystery deal that Parliament would actually approve? None of them seem to want to say. The nearest thing supposedly is the EU removing THEIR insistence on the backstop. Surely the EU would be sensible in recognising that they can either deal with the issues on Nov 1st 2019 or Jan 1st 2021. Their choice.

That's actually a good question. A series of indicative now, against no deal, as opposed to everyone and their dog knowing May would extend.

A (not the) customs union lost by maybe 3 or 4 votes last time?

(Whether that is or isn't Brexit has been done to death and we won't all agree).

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Mr K

That might suit Mr Corbyn very well particularly if its a no deal chaos. He might be playing a blinder

May be, but after we have left....who cares?

It will suit Corbyn absolutely, he won’t campaign to go back in, nor will Tories.

LibDems will be screwed.

The real democratic road is to leave, deal or no deal, then an election on how you will deliver the best for country now we have got beyond this roadblock.

I doubt you would get any sensible person argue against that.

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Originally Posted by jfman

So you concede it's not about a bold policy platform in the next session?

I really don't see why this is a bone of contention for Leavers.

Except maybe him

[jfman]

I thank Pierre for, possibly inadvertently, calling me sensible.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Pierre

May be, but after we have left....who cares?

It will suit Corbyn absolutely, he won’t campaign to go back in, nor will Tories.

So Comrade Corbyn is a price you're prepared to pay for Brexit. Interesting.

Originally Posted by pip08456

The discussion is up to the supreme court, no one else.

The decision is up to the Supreme Court - anyone else can discuss it.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Mr K

So Comrade Corbyn is a price you're prepared to pay for Brexit. Interesting.

Considering everyone and his dog views Corbyn as unelectable a good price to pay.

[Sephiroth]

The Supreme Court won't venture into Parliamentary territory as Parliament is a sovereign body.

However, the Executive is as open to scrutiny from the Courts as it is from Parliament. That's why we can't call the judgement.

I don't think the judgement will make any difference to the way Brexit will go because there's a lot of Parliamentary time available after the Queen's Speech unless that debate can eat into the time substantially.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Mr K

So Comrade Corbyn is a price you're prepared to pay for Brexit. Interesting.

I think I have been clear for the last three years, my argument with Brexit is one of democracy.

If the democratic will of the people is delivered in regards to Brexit.

Then there was a General Election and Corbyn won it fairly and democratically. How could I possibly argue against it.

That would make me as hypocritical as Parliament................

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Pierre

I think I have been clear for the last three years, my argument with Brexit is one of democracy.

If the democratic will of the people is delivered in regards to Brexit.

Then there was a General Election and Corbyn won it fairly and democratically. How could I possibly argue against it.

That would make me as hypocritical as Parliament................

IIRC you voted remain but accepted the result. I just wish there were more like you.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

The Supreme Court won't venture into Parliamentary territory as Parliament is a sovereign body.

However, the Executive is as open to scrutiny from the Courts as it is from Parliament. That's why we can't call the judgement.

I don't think the judgement will make any difference to the way Brexit will go because there's a lot of Parliamentary time available after the Queen's Speech unless that debate can eat into the time substantially.

The Queen’s Speech debate normally takes around 5 days - that would leave 8 working days (including the 31st) to discuss/debate Brexit. Not sure if that can realistically be called "a lot of Parliamentary time".

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Hugh

The Queen’s Speech debate normally takes around 5 days - that would leave 8 working days (including the 31st) to discuss/debate Brexit. Not sure if that can realistically be called "a lot of Parliamentary time".

Eight days cannot be termed that by any stretch of the imagination.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Hugh

The Queen’s Speech debate normally takes around 5 days - that would leave 8 working days (including the 31st) to discuss/debate Brexit. Not sure if that can realistically be called "a lot of Parliamentary time".

if they can cobble together new legislation in one day,8 days gives them time to do whatever they want to.

Originally Posted by papa smurf

if they can cobble together new legislation in one day,8 days gives them time to do whatever they want to.

Can you give me an example, please, where legislation has been "cobbled together" in one day...

Originally Posted by Hugh

Can you give me an example, please, where legislation has been "cobbled together" in one day...

You make this so easy Hugh. Stop it.

The Cooper Letwin Bill, introduced on 3rd of April, went through all its stages in a single day, thanks to Letwin’s agreed motion to allow the Bill to go through the stages in a single day, which by convention, was unprecedented.

You’re not going to tell me now that this Bill wasn’t “cobbled” together in one day, when a motion was carried for it to pass the Commons in a single day now are you?

The Benn Bill, again went through the Commons, in quick style in a Single day, thus, another Bill “Cobbled” together. The fact that both Bills, didn’t go through Lords the same day is irrelevant. Both Bills, are as defined “cobbled” together, because the normal timetable for them passing each stage was bypassed.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mick

You make this so easy Hugh. Stop it.

The Cooper Letwin Bill, introduced on 3rd of April, went through all its stages in a single day, thanks to Letwin’s agreed motion to allow the Bill to go through the stages in a single day, which by convention, was unprecedented.

You’re not going to tell me now that this Bill wasn’t “cobbled” together in one day, when a motion was carried for it to pass the Commons in a single day now are you?

The Benn Bill, again went through the Commons, in quick style in a Single day, thus, another Bill “Cobbled” together. The fact that both Bills, didn’t go through Lords the same day is irrelevant. Both Bills, are as defined “cobbled” together, because the normal timetable for them passing each stage was bypassed.

I suspect by "cobbled together" Hugh means the bill being researched, stakeholders consulted on, drafted, legally assessed, redrafted, consulted on again, etc and not merely presenting the finished article to Parliament.