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Old 12-09-2014, 21:29   #1
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[Update] Windows 10 Discussion

With Windows 9 rumoured to be announced at the end of the month and the consumer preview following around the same time, I thought I'd start a new thread. Some screenshots and a video has been leaked of the new start menu and the ability to have store apps windowed like with 3rd party Windows 8 add ons

EnGadget Story: http://www.engadget.com/2014/09/11/l...igned-desktop/

Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--wgAsHWNRE

Personally, I don't mind the current interface but for those who hated the new start screen it does create more of a 'best of both worlds' scenario
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Looking forward to getting the start menu back as i never use the START screen.
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Looking forward to getting the start menu back as i never use the START screen.
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It is not that important as I don't do addons like that, I just never use the start screen and think windows 8 is better than windows 7, although the theme style could be better.

I am hoping to get windows 9 on the cheap for 25 again or even free.
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With Windows 9 rumoured to be announced at the end of the month and the consumer preview following around the same time, I thought I'd start a new thread. Some screenshots and a video has been leaked of the new start menu and the ability to have store apps windowed like with 3rd party Windows 8 add ons EnGadget Story: http://www.engadget.com/2014/09/11/l...igned-desktop/ Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--wgAsHWNRE Personally, I don't mind the current interface but for those who hated the new start screen it does create more of a 'best of both worlds' scenario
Eh last I heard was developer preview likely later this year and consumer preview not until well into next year.

Either way actually having a normal start menu again will be a boon for enterprises. You can't imagine how effing annoying it is putting up with that tile crap on Win2012 server.
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re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion

Heard the same sort of thing as QAS said, Developer preview starting from September this year with the consumer preview coming around January or Febuary next year.

The "Start Menu" was supposed to return in August this year in what was supposed to be Windows 8 update 2, but apparently Microsoft decided to scrap it and focus on "Threshold" which is more commonly known as Windows 9, and not bringing the Start Menu back in Windows 8.X, according to rumours.

Either way I am not to fussed as most things I use are on the desktop so I never use the "Metro" interface really other, than creating a desktop shortcut for a program that didn't create one itself.

The only advantage to me for Windows 8.1 over Windows 7 though is when I am converting videos, Windows 8.1 uses all the threads and cores to around 90% compared to Windows 7 which only used each one to around 30%, regardless of what software was being used.

Games and general usage along with most other programs or benchmarks perform about the same, with some being faster on Windows 8.1 and some being faster on Windows 7, but I will stick with 8.1 as I am just use to it now and will see what the preview of Windows 9 is like when it's finally released.
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Eh last I heard was developer preview likely later this year
D'oh, my bad, I knew what I meant haha The only thing I used the Start Menu for in Windows 7 was the search box to launch an app, which I just do now by pressing Windows + Q
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Interesting - I didn't know about Win+Q. That said, like all Win key shortcuts they're not too useful when you're managing remote computers (which I do a lot - all my Win 8.x machines are remote) keyboard shortcuts are often applied to your local computer not the remote one you're trying to control. Hence, having an actual button is nice (and having a button that doesn't waste a ton of bandwidth redrawing your entire screen is nicer)

Regardless, in the corporate world Windows 8 is turning out a bit like Vista - nobody wants to upgrade to it and most companies are sticking with the previous version hoping to skip over it to whatever comes next.
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Windows 8.1 has a start menu.... with a button!
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The "Start Menu" was supposed to return in August this year in what was supposed to be Windows 8 update 2, but apparently Microsoft decided to scrap it and focus on "Threshold" which is more commonly known as Windows 9, and not bringing the Start Menu back in Windows 8.X, according to rumours.
I think another reason why the start button didn't return fully in update 2 is because doing so would have been Microsoft admitting removing it in the first place was a big mistake. OK generally we all know that anyway but companies rarely like to confess that something they decided themselves was what we wanted turned out to be wrong. MS aren't "cool" enough to do that in the way Apple is. So bringing it back in 9 is a better PR move as it takes the emphasis away from the errors of judgement they made with 8.

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The only advantage to me for Windows 8.1 over Windows 7 though is when I am converting videos, Windows 8.1 uses all the threads and cores to around 90% compared to Windows 7 which only used each one to around 30%, regardless of what software was being used.

Games and general usage along with most other programs or benchmarks perform about the same, with some being faster on Windows 8.1 and some being faster on Windows 7, but I will stick with 8.1 as I am just use to it now and will see what the preview of Windows 9 is like when it's finally released.
I've warmed to 8 but still prefer the look and themes of 7. It's the little things in 8 that I appreciate. Things like built-in pdf readers etc plus no need for third party stuff like Daemon Tools etc
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I think another reason why the start button didn't return fully in update 2 is because doing so would have been Microsoft admitting removing it in the first place was a big mistake. OK generally we all know that anyway but companies rarely like to confess that something they decided themselves was what we wanted turned out to be wrong. MS aren't "cool" enough to do that in the way Apple is. So bringing it back in 9 is a better PR move as it takes the emphasis away from the errors of judgement they made with 8.



I've warmed to 8 but still prefer the look and themes of 7. It's the little things in 8 that I appreciate. Things like built-in pdf readers etc plus no need for third party stuff like Daemon Tools etc
I didn't know it had its own PDF reader or I didn't need daemon tools, I will uninstall those to check it out.
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Flipping Nora. I've had a built in PDF reader (with a few annotation tools thrown in) in Mac OSX for nearly 10 years now. What planet are you living on?

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I think another reason why the start button didn't return fully in update 2 is because doing so would have been Microsoft admitting removing it in the first place was a big mistake. OK generally we all know that anyway but companies rarely like to confess that something they decided themselves was what we wanted turned out to be wrong. MS aren't "cool" enough to do that in the way Apple is. So bringing it back in 9 is a better PR move as it takes the emphasis away from the errors of judgement they made with 8.



I've warmed to 8 but still prefer the look and themes of 7. It's the little things in 8 that I appreciate. Things like built-in pdf readers etc plus no need for third party stuff like Daemon Tools etc
Uninstalling daemon Tools seems to have broken built in iso mounting in Windows 8.1, i had managed to do it before i uninstalled it!
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Windows 8.1 has a start menu.... with a button!
It's not really a menu, it's more like a full-screen eyesore.
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