18-10-2018, 12:24
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#1966
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Re: Brexit
The EU is pushing for 3 years instead of 2 stalling talks in the hope another 8billion will be paid to them and hoping that there will be a change in Government "Cough" Labour! who will accept any terms in favour of membership.
There is no going back now we will be worse off than we have ever been should we decide to stay.
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18-10-2018, 14:23
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#1967
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Re: Brexit
Extending the transition is a UK idea in return for the EU conceding to the UK-Wide rather than NI-specific 'backstop'. The idea being that it will alleviate their concerns that the UK backstop won't be ready/expires and thus a border goes up in Ireland. The EU isn't pushing for it. Both the Brexit and Remain-sides, and the UK and the EU, are all clear it was a UK idea.
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Looks like May has got what she wants:
https://twitter.com/DarrenEuronews/s...03483978989569
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Irish sources:
EU willing to alter the controversial backstop to make it UK-wide as requested.
However will take some time to prepare, in meantime they will look to put a clause in Withdrawal Agreement committing the EU to creating a UK-wide backstop
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18-10-2018, 14:31
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by Damien
Extending the transition is a UK idea in return for the EU conceding to the UK-Wide rather than NI-specific 'backstop'. The idea being that it will alleviate their concerns that the UK backstop won't be ready/expires and thus a border goes up in Ireland. The EU isn't pushing for it. Both the Brexit and Remain-sides, and the UK and the EU, are all clear it was a UK idea.
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Looks like May has got what she wants:
https://twitter.com/DarrenEuronews/s...03483978989569
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but the leavers all say EU not budged one bit
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18-10-2018, 14:45
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#1969
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Re: Brexit
Onwards and upwards ... as has been said previously most if not everything will get worked out. The EU need us more than we need them...
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18-10-2018, 14:47
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by djfunkdup
The EU need us more than we need them...
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Must be why this process is so easy then....
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18-10-2018, 14:51
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by djfunkdup
Onwards and upwards ... as has been said previously most if not everything will get worked out. The EU need us more than we need them...
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another lie
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18-10-2018, 14:51
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by Damien
Must be why this process is so easy then....
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If the EU got their bollocks on that table rather than hiding them inside their tights then many of the issues would already be in agreement .They are the ones dragging the heels in some weak twisted attempt to hold the UK hostage over certain issues like the NI backstop.
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18-10-2018, 14:53
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
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Oh here we are again with the "It was Russia" to blame for Brexit....and that UK Electorate isn't free thinking enough to think on it's feet and needed Putin's help. FFS, give me a break with this bollocks!!!
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another lie
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No it isn't.
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18-10-2018, 14:54
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Re: Brexit
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Oh here we are again with the "It was Russia" to blame for Brexit....and that UK Electorate isn't free thinking enough to think on it's feet and needed Putin's help. FFS, give me a break with this bollocks!!!
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No it isn't.
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yes it is we be hit much harder than them in a no deal brexit
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18-10-2018, 14:55
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Re: Brexit
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but the leavers all say EU not budged one bit
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Give and take on both sides as has always been the case in order to get a binding agreement.
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18-10-2018, 14:55
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Re: Brexit
https://news.sky.com/story/europe-re...-them-11462776
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That they do is because it speaks to their own conception of British statecraft - the public views the EU/UK battle as one of two equal powers.
As painful as it might be for us to accept, it is not.
Yes the UK is the EU's second-largest economy. Yes it is its largest military player. Yes we are a cultural powerhouse. Yes we are their biggest individual market. Britain is powerful - but the EU is more powerful than we are.
On paper - this should not be surprising, yet no politician, of any stripe, would ever dare say it.
But the facts speak for themselves: We are 65 million of a bloc of 450 million. Ours is a $2.9trn (£2.2trn) economy, they are $19trn (£14.6trn) They represent 44% of our exports. We, just 9% of theirs. They are 27 - we are one.
The impact of a no deal (as all the studies show) would be considerable but they have a crucial advantage: they are able to spread the risk and burden. For that reason, the same studies show, it would hurt us far more. We have nowhere else to turn.
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18-10-2018, 14:55
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Re: Brexit
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Give and take on both sides as has always been the case in order to get a agreement.
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exactly Den both side got to give and take a bit
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18-10-2018, 14:56
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by djfunkdup
If the EU got their bollocks on that table rather than hiding them inside their tights then many of the issues would already be in agreement .They are the ones dragging the heels in some weak twisted attempt to hold the UK hostage over certain issues like the NI backstop.
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This the same logic that Leavers had before the referendum that the German car manufacturers would force a deal. Where did that go? Are they waiting for a last minute dramatic intervention?
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18-10-2018, 15:00
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by Dave42
yes it is we be hit much harder than them in a no deal brexit
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They need us more than we need them and nothing you or any other Remainer opinion piece says, will change that view I hold, ever!
I do not need the EU and never will - I revoke my EU Citizenship right here and now, I do not want it and to be associated with a filthy, undemocratic and totally corrupted union, AKA the EU!!!!!!!
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18-10-2018, 15:00
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by Mick
They need us more than we need them and nothing you or any other Remainer opinion piece says, will change that view I hold, ever!
I do not need the EU and never will - I revoke my EU Citizenship right here and now, I do not want it and to be associated with a filthy, undemocratic and totally corrupted union, AKA the EU!!!!!!!
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How so?
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