Black Lives Matter

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

If you have an opinion that the woke folk don't like you get hounded out by the wokerazzi,that's why people have to quickly issue a statement saying they support a load of stuff that they don't really give a damn about.

Whether correct or incorrect, your point doesn't support Nomad King's statement that

"It's the ones that are not "woke" that are being fired or forced to resign, and therefore ending up broke.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Whether correct or incorrect, your point doesn't support Nomad King's statement that

So nobody has ever been fired or forced to resign over such things. Countless examples out there in the REAL WORLD. I'm not going to go around forever bookmarking every little story, just in case it's needed at some point in the future. No real easy way of retrospectively coming up with a list. Over the years, case after case has been reported. To deny it's not happening can only be if you are not reading or viewing news reports, international, national, or local.



Whether or not you approve of the source, the cases listed are GENUINE and are reported elsewhere.
Link.

There will be no opting out of the Black Lives Matter movement. You’re either for BLM or against it—and if you’re against it, you’re a racist. You will either support BLM publicly and enthusiastically, or you will be harassed, shunned, and shamed out of mainstream America. If you dare to speak a word against BLM, you will be targeted, mobbed, and probably fired.
That’s the message coming through loud and clear, not just from protesters but from corporations and institutions desperate to seem woke enough to escape the wrath of the BLM movement.
It doesn’t matter what your job or profession might be. It doesn’t matter if you’re in a position of power or prestige—in fact being in a position of power might make you more of a target. The only thing that can protect you from the BLM movement’s punitive rage is fealty. Bend the knee, and you might be spared. Then again, you might not.
The list of people who have lost their jobs or been suspended for criticizing or even questioning the BLM movement is long—and growing daily. Most prominent on the list is erstwhile New York Times opinion page editor James Bennet, who “resigned” under pressure from woke NYT staffers after he ran an op-ed by Republican Sen. Tom Cotton that made the uncontroversial case that the U.S. military should be deployed if police can’t get riots under control.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by nomadking

So nobody has ever been fired or forced to resign over such things. Countless examples out there in the REAL WORLD. I'm not going to go around forever bookmarking every little story, just in case it's needed at some point in the future. No real easy way of retrospectively coming up with a list. Over the years, case after case has been reported. To deny it's not happening can only be if you are not reading or viewing news reports, international, national, or local.

Whether or not you approve of the source, the cases listed are GENUINE and are reported elsewhere.
Link.

The newspaper said he resigned because he failed to meet editorial standards, not because he wasn't woke.
Do you actually have any proper examples and in this country?

[peanut]

Quite worrying if true... 'Revealed: The British arm of Black Lives Matter's full agenda - abolish the police, smash capitalism... and close all prisons'.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...es-Matter.html

Originally Posted by peanut

Quite worrying if true... 'Revealed: The British arm of Black Lives Matter's full agenda - abolish the police, smash capitalism... and close all prisons'.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...es-Matter.html

Good to see the DM is only 12 days behind CF - I posted this on the 12th June, post #91 in this thread

Also, it won't let you read it unless you disable your ad-blocker, then it immediately (and I tried repeatedly) takes you to a spam competition pretending to be Virgin Media.

Who we are.

Black Lives Matter UK (BLMUK) is a coalition of black activists and organisers across the UK. We’ve been organising since 2016 for justice in our communities.

We’re guided by a commitment to dismantle imperialism, capitalism, white-supremacy, patriarchy and the state structures that disproportionately harm black people in Britain and around the world. We build deep relationships across the diaspora and strategise to challenge the rise of the authoritarian right-wing across the world, from Brazil to Britain.

We’re developing new and exciting ways of organising that centre transparency, accountability, safety and healing for our organisers and our communities. BLMUK organises in the black radical tradition, using political education, direct action and political leadership toward black liberation.

Our commitment to all black lives means that we lift up the experiences of the most marginalised in our communities, including but not limited to working class queer, trans, undocumented, disabled, Muslim, sex workers, women/non-binary, HIV+ people.

[pip08456]

I read it OK,I wasn't asked to disable my ad blocker nor was I taken to a spam comp.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

The newspaper said he resigned because he failed to meet editorial standards, not because he wasn't woke.
Do you actually have any proper examples and in this country?

Didn't realise it was a list of ONE.

A New York Times editor resigned under pressure from coworkers and Democrats who criticized an op-ed by Republican Sen. Tom Cotton calling for deploying the military to deter rioters and looters.

Didn't realise I was expected to keep a detailed record of each instance that has been reported over the years.

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Good to see the DM is only 12 days behind CF - I posted this on the 12th June, post #91 in this thread

Also, it won't let you read it unless you disable your ad-blocker, then it immediately (and I tried repeatedly) takes you to a spam competition pretending to be Virgin Media.

"disproportionately harm black people. Isn't it Black people themselves doing that? Operation Trident was started because Black people were being killed.

Operation Trident was set up in 1998 in response to a string of what are often called "black-on-black" shootings and murders in the Lambeth and Brent areas of London.
The killings, mainly of young men, came amid fears of a wave of 'yardie'-style violence, linked to a growing crack cocaine problem and a spiralling guns culture.

Trevor Philips

The Labour Party member and former chairman of Commission for Equality and Human Rights, said: "It is young black men who are dying and by the way young black men doing the killing." And added three young people are dying every week in London "from knife crimes".
...
"This is not an accidental thing, what is happening is young people are being hunted down by packs of other people," he said.
"They are being stabbed. And aside from the ones who are dying, there are hundreds of people in this city who are being stabbed."
Going on to paint a very disturbing picture, he said offenders are now stabbing youths "in the anus so they have to wear colostomy bags", adding: "This is vicious and out of control."

Originally Posted by peanut

Quite worrying if true... 'Revealed: The British arm of Black Lives Matter's full agenda - abolish the police, smash capitalism... and close all prisons'.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...es-Matter.html

Seriously? You still read this rag?

[peanut]

Originally Posted by Maggy

Seriously? You still read this rag?

So instead of commenting on the content you have to have a dig. I know you've got a grudge with me and that's fine but it is tiresome. Try contributing for a change.

[downquark1]

George Washington in Portland and Uylsses S Grant statues toppled in San Francisco.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by nomadking

All depends on how much their employers support their right to say things. They and their employers constantly face a barrage of abuse because of it.

Try saying "All Lives Matter", and see where it gets you.

Just look at all the flak recently aimed at JK Rowling. If she wasn't already successful, how do you think it would go? Would and will the BBC still be interested in anything she creates?

Man loses his job for confronting a man chalkimg BLM outside his home:

​https://www.msn.com/en-gb/finance/ot...bep_csid=18986

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by downquark1

George Washington in Portland and Uylsses S Grant statues toppled in San Francisco.

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-w...grant-national

Originally Posted by peanut

So instead of commenting on the content you have to have a dig. I know you've got a grudge with me and that's fine but it is tiresome. Try contributing for a change.

I am contributing.I have been trying to get people to actually come up with any kind of strategy to actually address the issue..and the Daily Mail won't offer any practical help in that regard.It's a publication that frequently fans the flames of hatred.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Maggy

I am contributing.I have been trying to get people to actually come up with any kind of strategy to actually address the issue..and the Daily Mail won't offer any practical help in that regard.It's a publication that frequently fans the flames of hatred.

Well, they can start with introducing a general equality law rather than specify the particular minority groups who can benefit from it. That would at least end the resentment of able-bodied, heterosexual white men that currently exists. Maybe then people will start to see equality in a different light.

With all members of the public on board (due to self interest) the pressure will finally exist to weigh against employers who do not have proper processes in place to select staff, against police to demonstrate suitable cause to arrest and detain, etc. The population will be speaking with one voice.

I do believe education is already happening. All the young people I contact are very aware of the stupidity and injustice of discrimination in all its forms. The older generation who hold racist views are, frankly, beyond help, but they are becoming less relevant with time.

However, minority groups need to be careful as well. If they press too hard, resentment will surface on both sides. This whole issue needs to be carefully managed, and pulling down statues will have the opposite effect from that intended by right thinking people.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Well, they can start with introducing a general equality law rather than specify the particular minority groups who can benefit from it. That would at least end the resentment of able-bodied, heterosexual white men that currently exists. Maybe then people will start to see equality in a different light.

The thing is there isn't a law that specifically targets minority groups. It's people, and their interpretation of said laws. White, able bodied, heterosexual men don't experience the downside of such unconscious, or even conscious, bias.

With all members of the public on board (due to self interest) the pressure will finally exist to weigh against employers who do not have proper processes in place to select staff, against police to demonstrate suitable cause to arrest and detain, etc. The population will be speaking with one voice.

Admirable in it's ignorance of the divisions within society, cross cutting race, class, political standing, gender, age.

I do believe education is already happening. All the young people I contact are very aware of the stupidity and injustice of discrimination in all its forms. The older generation who hold racist views are, frankly, beyond help, but they are becoming less relevant with time.

I'd say the opposite. While the older, more ignorant, generations are dying out the flag of nationalism is stoking up divisions around the world at the minute. Given the failure of capitalism, and globalisation, to generate wealth that everyone has a stake in such divisions will only continue.

However, minority groups need to be careful as well. If they press too hard, resentment will surface on both sides. This whole issue needs to be carefully managed, and pulling down statues will have the opposite effect from that intended by right thinking people.

Who can possibly resent someone who simply wants equality? As said white, heterosexual, able-bodied man. It'd be extremely ignorant of me to claim that everyone has exactly the same opportunities as me in education or employment. And the reasons are entirely structural. Who wouldn't be pissed off if the game was fundamentally rigged against them?