12-03-2019, 15:30
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Re: Brexit
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Why? The EU literally signed a trade deal with Japan the other month, an economy bigger than ours.
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Yes, the country that supplies cars, electronics and whatever else to Europe. The UK on the other hand supplies . . . well, not much really
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12-03-2019, 15:31
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Re: Brexit
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Yes, the country that supplies cars, electronics and whatever else to Europe. The UK on the other hand supplies . . . well, not much really
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Fruit & veg.
Oh, hang on a minute
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12-03-2019, 15:57
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Re: Brexit
sammy wilson confirmed on sky news dup voting against deal
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12-03-2019, 16:00
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Re: Brexit
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sammy wilson confirmed on sky news dup voting against deal
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Not a surprise Dave.
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12-03-2019, 16:12
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Re: Brexit
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Not a surprise Dave.
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no it just a matter how big defeat for deal will be Den then no deal voted down tomorrow
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12-03-2019, 16:52
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Re: Brexit
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no it just a matter how big defeat for deal will be Den then no deal voted down tomorrow
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In which case, either the 'no deal' option becomes law (legislation is already in place for us to leave on 29 March) or it's a General Election.
Contrary to what some think, the General Election is not such a bad idea. Parliament gets dissolved, so no more House of Commons nonsense, and Theresa May goes into the election with a mandate to deliver Brexit on a no deal basis. That will put Labour on the defensive. Most people believe that Labour is all over the place on this subject and blame Labour for being obstructive, coupled with which Jeremy Corbyn has lost his popularity and considered a dead duck, even by Labour supporters.
What could go wrong for Theresa?
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12-03-2019, 17:30
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY
In which case, either the 'no deal' option becomes law (legislation is already in place for us to leave on 29 March) or it's a General Election.
Contrary to what some think, the General Election is not such a bad idea. Parliament gets dissolved, so no more House of Commons nonsense, and Theresa May goes into the election with a mandate to deliver Brexit on a no deal basis. That will put Labour on the defensive. Most people believe that Labour is all over the place on this subject and blame Labour for being obstructive, coupled with which Jeremy Corbyn has lost his popularity and considered a dead duck, even by Labour supporters.
What could go wrong for Theresa?
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You cannot transpose single subject Referendum with a General Election manifesto. They serve two radically different purposes. One presents a single issue and the other a spectrum of policy proposals.
You just sound desperate to suggest this ..
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12-03-2019, 17:36
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY
In which case, either the 'no deal' option becomes law (legislation is already in place for us to leave on 29 March) or it's a General Election.
Contrary to what some think, the General Election is not such a bad idea. Parliament gets dissolved, so no more House of Commons nonsense, and Theresa May goes into the election with a mandate to deliver Brexit on a no deal basis. That will put Labour on the defensive. Most people believe that Labour is all over the place on this subject and blame Labour for being obstructive, coupled with which Jeremy Corbyn has lost his popularity and considered a dead duck, even by Labour supporters.
What could go wrong for Theresa?
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Bizarrely a Kantar/TNS poll gave the Tories a 10 point lead this week, but a general election would still be a very risky strategy. Dissolving parliament now would ensure a No Deal outcome because there would not be a new parliament in place before 29 March. There is a bit of a convention around governments (which remain in power during an election campaign) doing anything significant to the country while an election is in the offing. I’d say watching the UK leave the EU with no transition arrangements in place, and the attendant likelihood of urgent action being required, would qualify as significant. It would be constitutionally dodgy and it could well be electorally disastrous.*
However, if an extension is granted I wouldn’t rule out a snap election following shortly afterwards to try to break the deadlock. The parliamentary maths are clearly impossible as things stand, there’s no obvious way of getting any deal through parliament this month or next, and if it’s not done and dusted by May, by law we will have to hold European elections, which Nigel Farage would doubtless win by a country mile, to the embarrassment of both main parties and the EU, for whom symbols like the parliament are important and for whom the presence of Farage and his type are an insult.
*(edit) also, the last person who tried sending MPs home and governing without them because he didn’t like what he was being told was Charles I, and we know how that worked out for him.
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12-03-2019, 17:51
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY
In which case, either the 'no deal' option becomes law (legislation is already in place for us to leave on 29 March) or it's a General Election.
Contrary to what some think, the General Election is not such a bad idea. Parliament gets dissolved, so no more House of Commons nonsense, and Theresa May goes into the election with a mandate to deliver Brexit on a no deal basis. That will put Labour on the defensive. Most people believe that Labour is all over the place on this subject and blame Labour for being obstructive, coupled with which Jeremy Corbyn has lost his popularity and considered a dead duck, even by Labour supporters.
What could go wrong for Theresa?
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Theresa May said in parliament to answer to Yvette Cooper she bring in legislation to change law if no deal voted down
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12-03-2019, 17:52
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by ianch99
You cannot transpose single subject Referendum with a General Election manifesto. They serve two radically different purposes. One presents a single issue and the other a spectrum of policy proposals.
You just sound desperate to suggest this ..
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I am certainly desperate for the Conservatives to get a good majority so that we can get a government that can govern.
Jeremy is a dead man walking now, so there’s a better prospect this time round that we will get a Conservative majority.
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12-03-2019, 18:16
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY
I am certainly desperate for the Conservatives to get a good majority so that we can get a government that can govern.
Jeremy is a dead man walking now, so there’s a better prospect this time round that we will get a Conservative majority.
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That worked so well last time she tried that...
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12-03-2019, 18:19
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Re: Brexit
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Sky News prediction - PM will lose by more than 100 votes
345 MPs have indicated they will vote against
220 MPs for
72 MPs unknown
Thanks to @breeallegretti @katewilsea who called it right on MV1
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12-03-2019, 18:45
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by Dave42
Theresa May said in parliament to answer to Yvette Cooper she bring in legislation to change law if no deal voted down
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It will be interesting to see if she will follow that through. I think it would be a mistake to rule out no deal. What else is there that would not infuriate the voters?
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That worked so well last time she tried that...
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When Jeremy was popular. Look at him now.
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12-03-2019, 18:45
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12-03-2019, 18:47
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by Chris
Bizarrely a Kantar/TNS poll gave the Tories a 10 point lead this week, but a general election would still be a very risky strategy. Dissolving parliament now would ensure a No Deal outcome because there would not be a new parliament in place before 29 March. There is a bit of a convention around governments (which remain in power during an election campaign) doing anything significant to the country while an election is in the offing. I’d say watching the UK leave the EU with no transition arrangements in place, and the attendant likelihood of urgent action being required, would qualify as significant. It would be constitutionally dodgy and it could well be electorally disastrous.*
However, if an extension is granted I wouldn’t rule out a snap election following shortly afterwards to try to break the deadlock. The parliamentary maths are clearly impossible as things stand, there’s no obvious way of getting any deal through parliament this month or next, and if it’s not done and dusted by May, by law we will have to hold European elections, which Nigel Farage would doubtless win by a country mile, to the embarrassment of both main parties and the EU, for whom symbols like the parliament are important and for whom the presence of Farage and his type are an insult.
*(edit) also, the last person who tried sending MPs home and governing without them because he didn’t like what he was being told was Charles I, and we know how that worked out for him.
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Yes, a poll and a short extension to Brexit to allow the legislation to go through is now the most plausible solution.
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