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1andrew1 · 18-03-2021, 22:59

Good news.

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Covid-19: EU states to resume AstraZeneca vaccine rollout

The EU's leading states are to restart their roll-out of the Oxford-AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine after Europe's medicines regulator concluded it was "safe and effective".

The European Medicines Agency (EMA) reviewed the jab after 13 EU states suspended use of the vaccine over fears of a link to blood clots.

It found the jab was "not associated" with a higher risk of clots.

Germany, France, Italy and Spain said they would resume using the jab.

It is up to individual EU states to decide whether and when to re-start vaccinations using the AstraZeneca vaccine. Sweden said it needed a "few days" to decide.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56440139

jfman · 18-03-2021, 23:08

The irony of herd immunity Sweden not wanting to take the risk.

**Mick** · 18-03-2021, 23:48

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Good news.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56440139

Not really, days of stupid scare mongering by the countries who suspended its use will have cost lives in delayed vaccinations and tarnished a vaccine brand, sowing hesitation in the minds of millions of people to get the jab, costing more lives. France now in a third lockdown in 16 areas of their country including Paris.

pip08456 · 19-03-2021, 02:05

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Not really, days of stupid scare mongering by the countries who suspended its use will have cost lives in delayed vaccinations and tarnished a vaccine brand, sowing hesitation in the minds of millions of people to get the jab, costing more lives. France now in a third lockdown in 16 areas of their country including Paris.

That's the problem Mick, the EU now has a population that won't trust the AZ vaccine. That unfortunately is a problem of their own making,

So much for statistics over science,

**Paul** · 19-03-2021, 04:59

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France daily cases continue to spike, nearly 7 times that of the UK. France entered 3rd wave territory and extra measures are being implemented considered to be their THIRD lockdown.

Lets not forget the UK is already in its 3rd Lockdown (This one being the longest

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jfman · 19-03-2021, 08:06

Indeed I'm not sure the UK is well placed to blame decision making elsewhere resulting in excess deaths when each lockdown we went into came a week, or more, after scientific advice was calling for it.

I know we aren't statistics fans but tens of thousands of deaths have been attributed to poor decision making. A few days delay in a vaccine rollout that's running behind schedule is neither here nor there by comparison.

jonbxx · 19-03-2021, 08:58

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Yet from the same report.

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the vaccine is not associated with an increase in the overall risk of blood clots (thromboembolic events) in those who receive it...

...The PRAC involved experts in blood disorders in its review, and worked closely with other health authorities including the UK’s MHRA which has experience with administration of this vaccine to around 11 million people. Overall the number of thromboembolic events reported after vaccination, both in studies before licensing and in reports after rollout of vaccination campaigns (469 reports, 191 of them from the EEA), was lower than that expected in the general population.

It does say that, yes! Good spot! So, the number of clotting events overall is lower in total but elevated for certain subtypes. Definitely some more number crunching and science needs to be done here to understand why this is happening

Carth · 19-03-2021, 09:05

No need for statistics or science, just use common sense.

Majority of people given the vaccine are over 50.

People over 50 are 'probably' more at risk of developing a blood clot naturally

KISS

tweetiepooh · 19-03-2021, 11:47

Stats are always fun but especially where the numbers are small within larger sets.

So and increase in vaccine issues from 2 to 5 is a more than doubling but is still small compared to the numbers vaccinated.

Same with the increases in infections, as the numbers come down a small change gives a big percentage change.

**Chris** · 19-03-2021, 15:13

Monsieur Macron has sent his prime minister out to get an AstraZeneca jab on live TV. I'm pretty sure their German friends have a word for how I'm feeling right now.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-5...ost_type=share

**Damien** · 19-03-2021, 15:29

Macron himself said a few weeks ago he would take it if offered as well. He has been very weird on the whole thing going back from saying some of the most outrageous statements on it to be one of the few prominent supporters of it in the EU. Unlike Germany who have seemed to just to have had a constant low-scale negative attitude to it.

pip08456 · 19-03-2021, 18:16

You couldn't make this up!

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France has said only people aged 55 and over should receive the AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine, and three Scandinavian countries have reserved judgment until next week, a day after Europe’s health regulator declared the shot safe and effective for all age groups.

jfman · 19-03-2021, 18:27

That's actually magnificent decision making by France, someone under 55 is extremely unlikely to die of Covid-19.

It's almost as if they're genuinely weighing up the risks vs benefits and moving their decision making with the evidence.

**Chris** · 19-03-2021, 18:38

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That's actually magnificent decision making by France, someone under 55 is extremely unlikely to die of Covid-19.

It's almost as if they're genuinely weighing up the risks vs benefits and moving their decision making with the evidence.

Zeal of the convert, perhaps. Let’s not forget that nobody under 50 has had any vaccine in the UK for precisely the same reasons (with a few specific exceptions).

TheDaddy · 20-03-2021, 16:54

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Originally Posted by jfman

That's actually magnificent decision making by France, someone under 55 is extremely unlikely to die of Covid-19.

It's almost as if they're genuinely weighing up the risks vs benefits and moving their decision making with the evidence.

It's almost the exact opposite of everything you've said, highly irresponsible, negligent and with potential consequences for not only their country but the entire planet