Home News Forum Articles
  Welcome back Join CF
You are here You are here: Home | Forum | Linear is old tech - on demand is the future

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most of the discussions, articles and other free features. By joining our Virgin Media community you will have full access to all discussions, be able to view and post threads, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload your own images/photos, and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please join our community today.


Welcome to Cable Forum
Go Back   Cable Forum > Virgin Media Services > Virgin Media TV Service

Linear is old tech - on demand is the future
Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old 22-08-2020, 21:48   #1396
Hugh
Hic Sunt Dracones
Cable Forum Team
 
Hugh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Age: 64
Services: Premiere Collection
Posts: 37,102
Hugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden aura
Hugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden aura
Re: Linear is old tech - on demand is the future

Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY View Post
The BBC expects its news bulletins to be shifted to VOD within 10 years.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...-goes-digital/

The BBC’s News at Six and News at 10 bulletins will soon be obsolete as coverage moves online, the corporation’s head of news has said.

Within a decade, news will be in “the digital space” and the BBC’s output will be consumed via iPlayer, said Fran Unsworth.
Strange - the BBC put it differently...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-53846414
Quote:
BBC News boss Fran Unsworth says some TV bulletins may disappear

The BBC's head of news has said the number of traditional TV bulletins may be cut over the next decade as more people watch news online.

Fran Unsworth told The Daily Telegraph she thought there might only be one bulletin a day.

Asked whether the News at Ten might survive but not the News at Six, Ms Unsworth replied: "Possibly, or maybe the other way round."...

..."There might be one [bulletin] a day, or something. I think there'll be fewer of them. But I think that the power of how you tell stories through television, pictures, video will just be in a different space.

"It'll be in the digital space, it'll be on, you know, iPlayer. It'll be on your tablet, your iPhone.
__________________
There is always light.
If only we’re brave enough to see it.
If only we’re brave enough to be it
.
If my post is in bold and this colour, it's a Moderator Request.
Hugh is online now  
Advertisement
Old 22-08-2020, 22:44   #1397
jfman
Architect of Ideas
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 6,652
jfman has a bronzed appealjfman has a bronzed appeal
jfman has a bronzed appealjfman has a bronzed appealjfman has a bronzed appealjfman has a bronzed appealjfman has a bronzed appealjfman has a bronzed appealjfman has a bronzed appealjfman has a bronzed appealjfman has a bronzed appealjfman has a bronzed appealjfman has a bronzed appealjfman has a bronzed appealjfman has a bronzed appealjfman has a bronzed appealjfman has a bronzed appealjfman has a bronzed appealjfman has a bronzed appeal
Re: Linear is old tech - on demand is the future

As always Old Boy only portrays one side of the coin. The BBC responded to the DCMS consultation on the European Electronic Communications Code to stress the importance of “must carry” obligations that existing platforms have - presumably with a view to extend those to streaming services. And being the BBC they’d want their content prioritised - like in an EPG.
jfman is online now  
Old 23-08-2020, 00:46   #1398
Jimmy-J
as common as muck
 
Jimmy-J's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Dirty Old Town
Posts: 3,360
Jimmy-J has a bronze arrayJimmy-J has a bronze arrayJimmy-J has a bronze array
Jimmy-J has a bronze arrayJimmy-J has a bronze arrayJimmy-J has a bronze arrayJimmy-J has a bronze array
Re: Linear is old tech - on demand is the future

Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY View Post
The BBC expects its news bulletins to be shifted to VOD within 10 years.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...-goes-digital/

The BBC’s News at Six and News at 10 bulletins will soon be obsolete as coverage moves online, the corporation’s head of news has said.

Within a decade, news will be in “the digital space” and the BBC’s output will be consumed via iPlayer, said Fran Unsworth.
I doubt they'll even be around within 10 years... Hopefully.
__________________
I'm not afraid of dying, I just don't want to be there when it happens. -Woody Allen

Jimmy-J is offline  
Old 23-08-2020, 05:08   #1399
denphone
Still alive and fighting
 
denphone's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: In the land of beyond and beyond.
Services: XL BB, 2 V6 boxes , XL TV.
Posts: 55,085
denphone has a golden aura
denphone has a golden auradenphone has a golden auradenphone has a golden auradenphone has a golden auradenphone has a golden auradenphone has a golden auradenphone has a golden auradenphone has a golden aura
Re: Linear is old tech - on demand is the future

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy-J View Post
I doubt they'll even be around within 10 years... Hopefully.
You are going to be very disappointed then.
__________________
“The only lesson you can learn from history is that it repeats itself”
denphone is offline  
Old 23-08-2020, 09:27   #1400
Raider999
cf.mega poster
 
Join Date: Dec 2016
Posts: 1,518
Raider999 is a name known to allRaider999 is a name known to allRaider999 is a name known to allRaider999 is a name known to allRaider999 is a name known to allRaider999 is a name known to allRaider999 is a name known to allRaider999 is a name known to all
Re: Linear is old tech - on demand is the future

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy-J View Post
I doubt they'll even be around within 10 years... Hopefully.
I think they will - almost a national institution - however I think they will have a different funding model
Raider999 is offline  
Old 23-08-2020, 10:03   #1401
Chris
Trollsplatter
Cable Forum Team
 
Chris's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: North of Watford
Services: Humane elimination of all common Internet pests
Posts: 34,100
Chris has a golden auraChris has a golden aura
Chris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden aura
Re: Linear is old tech - on demand is the future

Quote:
Originally Posted by Raider999 View Post
I think they will - almost a national institution - however I think they will have a different funding model
The BBC’s charter expires in 2027, so it’s going to be around, charging a licence fee and broadcasting linear TV, for 7 more years as a bare minimum.

Because negotiations for the new charter need to finish around 5-6 years from now, if there was any serious prospect of the BBC losing the right to charge a universal fee for its services, you would be hearing serious people starting to talk about it by now. That means we are going to have a publicly funded BBC until at least 2037, although the precise means of revenue gathering may well change in some way (a broadband tax is possible IMO).

However let us please not drift into yet another licence fee thread. This topic is about content delivery technology, not the way it’s paid for.
Chris is offline  
Old 23-08-2020, 11:24   #1402
Mr K
Woke and proud !
 
Mr K's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Services: TV, Phone, BB, a wife
Posts: 7,221
Mr K is cast in bronzeMr K is cast in bronzeMr K is cast in bronzeMr K is cast in bronze
Mr K is cast in bronzeMr K is cast in bronzeMr K is cast in bronzeMr K is cast in bronzeMr K is cast in bronzeMr K is cast in bronzeMr K is cast in bronzeMr K is cast in bronzeMr K is cast in bronzeMr K is cast in bronzeMr K is cast in bronze
Re: Confirmed: linear is old tech - on demand is the future

Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY View Post
There is no conflict between streaming and watching live. You can watch live TV on the BBC i-Player, for example.

There appears to be a collective mental block on this subject!
Streaming isn't live, it can add to further delays for 'live' sport. Try syncing watching cricket on Sky Go, with commentary on R4 TMS. The radio is sometimes an over ahead !
Mr K is online now  
Old 23-08-2020, 11:59   #1403
Chris
Trollsplatter
Cable Forum Team
 
Chris's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: North of Watford
Services: Humane elimination of all common Internet pests
Posts: 34,100
Chris has a golden auraChris has a golden aura
Chris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden aura
Re: Linear is old tech - on demand is the future

For the purposes of this thread, there is a very important distinction between “on demand” and “IP-TV”. True on demand services are delivered over IP, but not all IP-TV is on demand. It is entirely possible to deliver a linear scheduled broadcast tv service over IP. That’s why claims that the U.K. will eventually move to a system of entirely IP delivered TV, do not amount to proof that linear broadcast will entirely give way to on demand. The two phenomena are related but they are not synonymous.
Chris is offline  
Old 23-08-2020, 13:09   #1404
Legendkiller2k
cf.geek
 
Join Date: Jun 2019
Location: Jupiter
Services: Plusnet fibre 80mbs, plusnet tv with bt sport,skyq with cinema and signature and netflix,hulu, kodi
Posts: 691
Legendkiller2k has entered a golden reputation eraLegendkiller2k has entered a golden reputation eraLegendkiller2k has entered a golden reputation eraLegendkiller2k has entered a golden reputation eraLegendkiller2k has entered a golden reputation eraLegendkiller2k has entered a golden reputation eraLegendkiller2k has entered a golden reputation eraLegendkiller2k has entered a golden reputation eraLegendkiller2k has entered a golden reputation eraLegendkiller2k has entered a golden reputation eraLegendkiller2k has entered a golden reputation era
Re: Linear is old tech - on demand is the future

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris View Post
For the purposes of this thread, there is a very important distinction between “on demand” and “IP-TV”. True on demand services are delivered over IP, but not all IP-TV is on demand. It is entirely possible to deliver a linear scheduled broadcast tv service over IP. That’s why claims that the U.K. will eventually move to a system of entirely IP delivered TV, do not amount to proof that linear broadcast will entirely give way to on demand. The two phenomena are related but they are not synonymous.
I believe Plusnet, Talktalk and BT do this via multicast.
__________________
Destiny is not set but what we make.
Legendkiller2k is offline  
Old 23-08-2020, 16:52   #1405
OLD BOY
Rise above the players
 
OLD BOY's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Wokingham
Services: 2 V6 boxes with 360 software, Now TV, Amazon, Netflix, Starzplay, Apple TV; Discovery +, VM broadban
Posts: 12,027
OLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze array
OLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze array
Re: Confirmed: linear is old tech - on demand is the future

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K View Post
Streaming isn't live, it can add to further delays for 'live' sport. Try syncing watching cricket on Sky Go, with commentary on R4 TMS. The radio is sometimes an over ahead !
The latency issue certainly is a problem, but they are 'working on it' as they say.
OLD BOY is offline  
Old 23-08-2020, 17:24   #1406
Hugh
Hic Sunt Dracones
Cable Forum Team
 
Hugh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Age: 64
Services: Premiere Collection
Posts: 37,102
Hugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden aura
Hugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden aura
Re: Confirmed: linear is old tech - on demand is the future

Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY View Post
The latency issue certainly is a problem, but they are 'working on it' as they say.
From a "related" thread...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh View Post
Something magic will happen...
__________________
There is always light.
If only we’re brave enough to see it.
If only we’re brave enough to be it
.
If my post is in bold and this colour, it's a Moderator Request.
Hugh is online now  
Old 23-08-2020, 17:58   #1407
OLD BOY
Rise above the players
 
OLD BOY's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Wokingham
Services: 2 V6 boxes with 360 software, Now TV, Amazon, Netflix, Starzplay, Apple TV; Discovery +, VM broadban
Posts: 12,027
OLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze array
OLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze array
Re: Confirmed: linear is old tech - on demand is the future

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh View Post
From a "related" thread...



(sigh...)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-45499784

The BBC says it has worked out how to eliminate "streaming lag", which causes live TV to be delayed by several seconds when watched online.

Last edited by OLD BOY; 23-08-2020 at 18:02.
OLD BOY is offline  
Old 23-08-2020, 21:32   #1408
spiderplant
cf.mega poster
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 8,259
spiderplant has a pair of shiny starsspiderplant has a pair of shiny stars
spiderplant has a pair of shiny starsspiderplant has a pair of shiny starsspiderplant has a pair of shiny starsspiderplant has a pair of shiny starsspiderplant has a pair of shiny starsspiderplant has a pair of shiny stars
Re: Confirmed: linear is old tech - on demand is the future

Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY View Post
The BBC says it has worked out how to eliminate "streaming lag", which causes live TV to be delayed by several seconds when watched online.
They worked out how to do that 90 years ago.
spiderplant is offline  
Old 23-08-2020, 23:17   #1409
Hugh
Hic Sunt Dracones
Cable Forum Team
 
Hugh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Age: 64
Services: Premiere Collection
Posts: 37,102
Hugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden aura
Hugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden aura
Re: Confirmed: linear is old tech - on demand is the future

Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY View Post
(sigh...)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-45499784

The BBC says it has worked out how to eliminate "streaming lag", which causes live TV to be delayed by several seconds when watched online.
<even longer sigh...>

As I explained in that thread on the 1st of this month...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh View Post
Easily - it wasn’t scalable, and wasn’t cost-effective to implement.

From the BBC at the time

Quote:
The final latency improvement we have made comes from optimising and streamlining the various processes that our media goes through before it emerges as segments available on the Internet. By doing this, we can show what is possible in terms of low latency distribution, though it’s fair to say that some additional delay is likely to return here if we were to take our prototype and scale it up for full production use.
And as I also said in that thread, when you previously said "they’re working on it"...
Quote:
OB, really? I didn’t know that...

(Except for the fact, as mentioned before, that one of my best friends is a Lead Technical Architect at the BBC, working specifically on the Telecomms area, who speaks at International conferences on the impact of 5G on broadcasting, and who is a member of a National 5G Working Group advising the UK Government, and my comments are informed by discussions with him - which highly experienced technical resource at the BBC are your comments informed by?).
__________________
There is always light.
If only we’re brave enough to see it.
If only we’re brave enough to be it
.
If my post is in bold and this colour, it's a Moderator Request.

Last edited by Hugh; 23-08-2020 at 23:21.
Hugh is online now  
Old 23-08-2020, 23:43   #1410
Chris
Trollsplatter
Cable Forum Team
 
Chris's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: North of Watford
Services: Humane elimination of all common Internet pests
Posts: 34,100
Chris has a golden auraChris has a golden aura
Chris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden aura
Re: Linear is old tech - on demand is the future

Also worth noting the gulf that exists between ‘eliminating’ streaming lag (which OB claims the BBC has worked out) and ‘improvements’ to streaming lag, which is what the BBC is willing to claim for itself, in lab tests. Nonetheless, I’m sure we can expect OB’s stock reply in such situations, namely that everything will be mathemagically worked out and anyone who doubts it is a pessimist.
Chris is offline  
Closed Thread


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 3 (0 members and 3 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 10:18.


Server: curium.zmnt.uk
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, vBulletin Solutions Inc.