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Old 15-07-2019, 08:02   #721
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l know that OB but my sentiments still apply..
Except, again, there is no-one better that you can actually vote for at the next election. Unless you want to go for whoever wins the leadership for the Lib Dem’s!
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Old 15-07-2019, 08:18   #722
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Except, again, there is no-one better that you can actually vote for at the next election. Unless you want to go for whoever wins the leadership for the Lib Dem’s!
l certainly won't be voting for any of the two main parties given that voting for Johnson and Corbyn would be a bit like scraping the bottom of the barrel in terms of putting my vote next to them.

l will be voting but certainly not for any of those two come a General Election.
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Except, again, there is no-one better that you can actually vote for at the next election. Unless you want to go for whoever wins the leadership for the Lib Dem’s!
The problem with this process for the Tory party is that Boris maybe popular with its grumpy right wing old white men members - but they are living in a bubble. The public think he's a buffoon, which will reinforced with the repeated cock ups he'll make. He's a gift for Corbyn It's a race to the bottom in more ways than one for the future of this country.
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Because there is no third choice. Ever heard of the best of a bad bunch?
Again, the point goes sailing past. I give up ..
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You are missing the point: why endorse one if they are both the wrong choice?..
We’re getting one of them, and out of the two I’d rather have him. That said out of all the Tory party i can’t think of anyone I’d want.

Which is damning really.
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We’re getting one of them, and out of the two I’d rather have him. That said out of all the Tory party i can’t think of anyone I’d want.

Which is damning really.
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The problem with this process for the Tory party is that Boris maybe popular with its grumpy right wing old white men members - but they are living in a bubble. The public think he's a buffoon, which will reinforced with the repeated cock ups he'll make. He's a gift for Corbyn It's a race to the bottom in more ways than one for the future of this country.
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Re: Leadership who is the next PM?

Jonson is already wandering off into fantasy land. He seems to have unrealistic expectations of Trump:

Liam Fox says Boris Johnson's ambition to get US to adopt UK food standards in trade deal unrealistic

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In his Today interview Liam Fox, the international trade secretary, was also asked about a recent claim by Boris Johnson, the favourite in the Tory leadership contest, that the UK should try to get the US to adopt British food standards in a trade deal. At a hustings last week Johnson said:

I don’t want us to do any deal with the US which in anyway jeopardises our animal welfare standards or our food hygiene standards. The quality of food in this country must be protected and if anything we should be insisting that if the Americans want to trade with us they should be obeying our standards.

When asked if he thought this was realistic, Fox told Today:

Well, I think if you go to the US and you say we are going to take any discussions on agricultural access off the agenda, you’ll find that they close down pretty quickly in terms of their willingness to discuss things. When you go into a trade negotiation, both sides will have their asks, both sides will have their defensive elements, but it is certainly true that we should be trying to get an agreement with the United States as quickly as we possibly
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Jonson is already wandering off into fantasy land. He seems to have unrealistic expectations of Trump:

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if anything we should be insisting that if the Americans want to trade with us they should be obeying our standards.
I don't see a problem with that, maybe you've forgotten the many posts on here about their chlorinated chicken
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Again, the point goes sailing past. I give up ..
I assumeyou are talking about the small number of people who are able to vote. In which case, no, the point has not gone sailing past - we all know that is the case.

We didn't get to vote Gordon Brown in either when he took over from Tony Blair, so I don't know why this tradition is suddenly so significant for you.

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I don't see a problem with that, maybe you've forgotten the many posts on here about their chlorinated chicken
Really? Ok, I get it, the posts on CF are reason enough for Trump to change the US food standards

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The next banana skin for Johnson to navigate is Trump's racist remarks from yesterday. TM has already come out strong condemning them so the obvious question will be proposed to Johnson & Hunt in the final physical hustings:

May condemns Trump's remarks about four congresswomen


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Theresa May has criticised Donald Trump’s “completely unacceptable” language towards four Democratic congresswomen, which has been condemned as racist, putting pressure on her likely successor, Boris Johnson, to speak out as well.

May took the unusual step of commenting on US domestic politics after Trump made reference to the outspoken women, only one of whom is foreign-born, saying on Twitter that they should “go back and help fix” their “broken and crime-infested” countries.

Boris Johnson and Jeremy Hunt under pressure to denounce Trump over racist tweets - live news

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Have checked with Johnson/Hunt teams and as of 11am neither are criticising Trump's racist tweets (maybe they will be asked at tonight's debate)
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I assumeyou are talking about the small number of people who are able to vote. In which case, no, the point has not gone sailing past - we all know that is the case.

We didn't get to vote Gordon Brown in either when he took over from Tony Blair, so I don't know why this tradition is suddenly so significant for you.

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Gordon Brown was elected by Labour MPs who in turn were elected by due electoral process:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_L...rship_election

MPs have a mandate from their constituents, so there is still representation of the electorate when MPs vote for a new leader who will also become Prime Minister.

This is also how previous Conservative leaders were elected when the party was in power:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990_C...rship_election

My understanding is that this is the first time that members of any political party, and not elected MPs, have had a final vote for a party leader that will also become Prime Minister. The issue is that the party members have no mandate of their own from the wider electorate.

The same issue would happen if or when other party members vote for a new leader that would also automatically become Prime Minister. It's not an issue specifically directed at the Conservatives, other than they are the ones currently in office.
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Gordon Brown was elected by Labour MPs who in turn were elected in a general election:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_L...rship_election

MPs have a electoral mandate from their constituents, so there is still representation of the electorate when MPs vote for a new leader that will also become Prime Minister.

This is also how previous Conservative leaders were elected when the party was in power.

My understanding is that this is the first time that members of any political party, and not elected MPs, have had a final vote for a party leader that will also become Prime Minister. The issue is that the party members have no electoral mandate of their own from the wider electorate.

The same issue would happen if or when other party members vote for a new leader that would also automatically become Prime Minister. It's not an issue specifically directed at the Conservatives, other than they are the ones currently in office.
It has been said before but it worth repeating:

“Without a mandate from the British people”: how Boris Johnson described Gordon Brown in 2007

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“The extraordinary thing is that it looks as though he will now be in 10 Downing Street for three years, and without a mandate from the British people. No one elected Gordon Brown as Prime Minister…”
You couldn't make it up if you tried ..
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It has been said before but it worth repeating:

“Without a mandate from the British people”: how Boris Johnson described Gordon Brown in 2007



You couldn't make it up if you tried ..
I guess he takes the view that what’s good for the goose is good for the gander.
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