Home News Forum Articles
  Welcome back Join CF
You are here You are here: Home | Forum | PM Boris forms a government

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most of the discussions, articles and other free features. By joining our Virgin Media community you will have full access to all discussions, be able to view and post threads, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload your own images/photos, and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please join our community today.


Welcome to Cable Forum
Go Back   Cable Forum > General Discussion > Current Affairs

PM Boris forms a government
Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old 09-09-2019, 23:43   #2161
Chris
Trollsplatter
Cable Forum Team
 
Chris's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: North of Watford
Services: Humane elimination of all common Internet pests
Posts: 32,083
Chris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden aura
Chris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden aura
Re: PM Boris forms a government

If Boris delivers any sort of Brexit next month, Labour will have nowhere to turn. It will have to agree to an election, which Boris would fight without any of the Gaukeward squad standing in any constituencies and, one assumes, any new candidates forced to attest in their own blood that they’re fully behind the leader’s Brexit strategy (the substantive negotiations still being ahead of us). If Brexit is anything other than the No Deal kind, Farage won’t go away, but I think it will be fairly easy for Boris to neutralise him by simply pointing out that Brexit has happened and there’s no point to Nigel any more. Without their platform and funding via their MEP seats it will be increasingly difficult for them to continue and to get any significant hearing anyway.

There are still too many variables to make a comfortable prediction, but it is possible at least to see a scenario in which Boris delivers Brexit next month and acquires a governable, compliant Commons majority shortly thereafter.
Chris is offline  
Advertisement
Old 10-09-2019, 00:20   #2162
1andrew1
cf.mega poster
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 6,602
1andrew1 has a bronzed appeal1andrew1 has a bronzed appeal
1andrew1 has a bronzed appeal1andrew1 has a bronzed appeal1andrew1 has a bronzed appeal1andrew1 has a bronzed appeal1andrew1 has a bronzed appeal1andrew1 has a bronzed appeal
Re: PM Boris forms a government

So, France will not block an extension. Great news!
Quote:
Brexit: Why France is unlikely to veto delay...
But such pronouncements by French cabinet ministers - such as Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian this weekend - should be taken with a hefty pinch of salt.

These are the main reasons why:

1) France has form on this. It has always huffed and puffed before finally signing up to previous Brexit extensions...
2) Mr Macron openly admitted recently that he is happy to play "bad cop" when it comes to Brexit...
3) It is unbelievably unlikely that France would veto a new Brexit extension if other EU countries - especially Ireland with so much at stake - were in favour.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-49640344
1andrew1 is offline  
Old 10-09-2019, 01:21   #2163
Dave42
cf.mega poster
 
Dave42's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Jarrow Tyne & Wear
Services: V.I.P 120 tivo and v+
Posts: 5,086
Dave42 is cast in bronzeDave42 is cast in bronzeDave42 is cast in bronzeDave42 is cast in bronze
Dave42 is cast in bronzeDave42 is cast in bronzeDave42 is cast in bronzeDave42 is cast in bronzeDave42 is cast in bronzeDave42 is cast in bronzeDave42 is cast in bronzeDave42 is cast in bronzeDave42 is cast in bronzeDave42 is cast in bronze
Re: PM Boris forms a government

well done to all MPs stopping the trap

---------- Post added at 01:21 ---------- Previous post was at 01:10 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman View Post
If my calculations are right if the ERG backed the third vote on TMs deal it would have passed.

Chris is on the money here. TMs future was tied to the DUP (in that she couldnít lead the Tories into another GE). Boris isnít tied in the same way. He wants a general election. After he delivers any kind of Brexit he must fancy his chances to win a decent majority.

---------- Post added at 21:42 ---------- Previous post was at 21:39 ----------



I think the Conservatives could squeeze this through without the Labour Party.
how exactly with no majority it -43
Dave42 is offline  
Old 10-09-2019, 06:35   #2164
jfman
Architect of Ideas
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 2,716
jfman has reached the bronze age
jfman has reached the bronze age
Re: PM Boris forms a government

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris View Post
If Boris delivers any sort of Brexit next month, Labour will have nowhere to turn. It will have to agree to an election, which Boris would fight without any of the Gaukeward squad standing in any constituencies and, one assumes, any new candidates forced to attest in their own blood that theyíre fully behind the leaderís Brexit strategy (the substantive negotiations still being ahead of us). If Brexit is anything other than the No Deal kind, Farage wonít go away, but I think it will be fairly easy for Boris to neutralise him by simply pointing out that Brexit has happened and thereís no point to Nigel any more. Without their platform and funding via their MEP seats it will be increasingly difficult for them to continue and to get any significant hearing anyway.

There are still too many variables to make a comfortable prediction, but it is possible at least to see a scenario in which Boris delivers Brexit next month and acquires a governable, compliant Commons majority shortly thereafter.
If he delivers a deal surely he brings the 21 back in and tries to heal the division in the party? Some won't come, but I think most will.
jfman is offline  
Old 10-09-2019, 08:11   #2165
OLD BOY
Experience is everything
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Wokingham
Services: 2 V6 boxes; Full House; Now TV, Amazon and Netflix; VM broadband and landline
Posts: 9,707
OLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze array
OLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze array
Re: PM Boris forms a government

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh View Post
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-p...ments-49636684 @19:28



I wonder what the Government is basing its planning and mitigating actions on, then?

Having been involved in very many risk assessment/mitigation efforts, you assess what the upcoming scenarios are, what are the risks arising from these scenarios, score these risks/issues by likelihood and impact, and agree what mitigating actions/plans can/need to be put in place to reduce/remove the negative impacts - if Yellowhammer is not being used for these purposes, what is it being used for, and what planning/impact assessments/likely scenarios are being used?
'Likely scenario' is a million miles away from 'worst case scenario'. If effective mitigating measures are taken to avoid a worst case scenario, then the negative impacts have been removed, haven't they?
OLD BOY is offline  
Old 10-09-2019, 08:22   #2166
1andrew1
cf.mega poster
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 6,602
1andrew1 has a bronzed appeal1andrew1 has a bronzed appeal
1andrew1 has a bronzed appeal1andrew1 has a bronzed appeal1andrew1 has a bronzed appeal1andrew1 has a bronzed appeal1andrew1 has a bronzed appeal1andrew1 has a bronzed appeal
Re: PM Boris forms a government

Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY View Post
'Likely scenario' is a million miles away from 'worst case scenario'. If effective mitigating measures are taken to avoid a worst case scenario, then the negative impacts have been removed, haven't they?
No.
Mitigated=Reduced.
Revoked=Removed.
1andrew1 is offline  
Old 10-09-2019, 08:24   #2167
OLD BOY
Experience is everything
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Wokingham
Services: 2 V6 boxes; Full House; Now TV, Amazon and Netflix; VM broadband and landline
Posts: 9,707
OLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze array
OLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze array
Re: PM Boris forms a government

Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman View Post
If he delivers a deal surely he brings the 21 back in and tries to heal the division in the party? Some won't come, but I think most will.
I think that's right, and even if Corbyn continues to sit on the fence, some Labour people will come on board as well.
OLD BOY is offline  
Old 10-09-2019, 19:34   #2168
Hom3r
Proud Ex EU Citizen.
 
Hom3r's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Galactic Sector ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha, www.daves-world.co.uk. A secret Moonbase (shh don't tell anybody)
Age: 50
Services: 1 V6 Tivo, 2x1TB Tivo, , SH3. Samsung Galaxy Note 8, Smart Home stuff, & Cuddy Toy
Posts: 15,260
Hom3r has a pair of shiny starsHom3r has a pair of shiny stars
Hom3r has a pair of shiny starsHom3r has a pair of shiny starsHom3r has a pair of shiny starsHom3r has a pair of shiny starsHom3r has a pair of shiny starsHom3r has a pair of shiny starsHom3r has a pair of shiny starsHom3r has a pair of shiny starsHom3r has a pair of shiny starsHom3r has a pair of shiny starsHom3r has a pair of shiny starsHom3r has a pair of shiny starsHom3r has a pair of shiny starsHom3r has a pair of shiny starsHom3r has a pair of shiny starsHom3r has a pair of shiny starsHom3r has a pair of shiny stars
Re: PM Boris forms a government

I'm still waiting for a remainer to provide 100% that a no deal Brexit or a Brexit in general will be a disaster/crashing out.

With out the saying "Prove it won't"
__________________
I voted leave, Leave means leave, and NO to an illegal 2nd referendum. We already voted in a democratic vote. Twitter Facebook
My Blog
Hom3r is offline  
Old 10-09-2019, 20:08   #2169
1andrew1
cf.mega poster
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 6,602
1andrew1 has a bronzed appeal1andrew1 has a bronzed appeal
1andrew1 has a bronzed appeal1andrew1 has a bronzed appeal1andrew1 has a bronzed appeal1andrew1 has a bronzed appeal1andrew1 has a bronzed appeal1andrew1 has a bronzed appeal
Re: PM Boris forms a government

Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY View Post
I think that's right, and even if Corbyn continues to sit on the fence, some Labour people will come on board as well.
I think most of those 21 are Conservative history and many seem to have made plans to move into other areas.
1andrew1 is offline  
Old 10-09-2019, 20:26   #2170
Hugh
Hic Sunt Dracones
Cable Forum Team
 
Hugh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Age: 62
Services: Premiere Collection
Posts: 33,293
Hugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden aura
Hugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden aura
Re: PM Boris forms a government

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hom3r View Post
I'm still waiting for a remainer to provide 100% that a no deal Brexit or a Brexit in general will be a disaster/crashing out.

With out the saying "Prove it won't"
I'm still waiting for a brexiter to provide 100% that a no deal Brexit or a Brexit in general wonít be a disaster/crashing out.

With out the saying "Prove it will"

__________________
If my post is in bold and this colour, it's a Moderator Request.
Hugh is online now  
Old 10-09-2019, 20:35   #2171
Sephiroth
Simples
 
Sephiroth's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: RG41
Services: Vivid 200;Hub 3 MM; ASUS RT-AC68U. BT Infinity2; Tivo; V6; XL Phone; Devolo 1200AV
Posts: 6,568
Sephiroth has a bronze arraySephiroth has a bronze arraySephiroth has a bronze array
Sephiroth has a bronze arraySephiroth has a bronze arraySephiroth has a bronze arraySephiroth has a bronze arraySephiroth has a bronze arraySephiroth has a bronze arraySephiroth has a bronze arraySephiroth has a bronze arraySephiroth has a bronze arraySephiroth has a bronze arraySephiroth has a bronze arraySephiroth has a bronze arraySephiroth has a bronze arraySephiroth has a bronze arraySephiroth has a bronze arraySephiroth has a bronze array
Re: PM Boris forms a government

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh View Post
I'm still waiting for a brexiter to provide 100% that a no deal Brexit or a Brexit in general wonít be a disaster/crashing out.

With out the saying "Prove it will"

You first. Or can't you?
__________________
Seph.

My advice is at your risk.
Sephiroth is offline  
Old 10-09-2019, 20:42   #2172
Hugh
Hic Sunt Dracones
Cable Forum Team
 
Hugh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Age: 62
Services: Premiere Collection
Posts: 33,293
Hugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden aura
Hugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden aura
Re: PM Boris forms a government

I was being ironic (I think you knew that).

Neither can be "proved 100%", only evaluated using available information, and then impact estimated using that evaluation, with levels of confidence on those estimations - just like when a business puts together its 1 year, 3 year, and 5 year plans.

And like those plans, they are continually reviewed for changes in the environment and amended accordingly - not just carry on with the original plan because "that’s what we agreed then".
__________________
If my post is in bold and this colour, it's a Moderator Request.
Hugh is online now  
Old 10-09-2019, 21:53   #2173
Sephiroth
Simples
 
Sephiroth's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: RG41
Services: Vivid 200;Hub 3 MM; ASUS RT-AC68U. BT Infinity2; Tivo; V6; XL Phone; Devolo 1200AV
Posts: 6,568
Sephiroth has a bronze arraySephiroth has a bronze arraySephiroth has a bronze array
Sephiroth has a bronze arraySephiroth has a bronze arraySephiroth has a bronze arraySephiroth has a bronze arraySephiroth has a bronze arraySephiroth has a bronze arraySephiroth has a bronze arraySephiroth has a bronze arraySephiroth has a bronze arraySephiroth has a bronze arraySephiroth has a bronze arraySephiroth has a bronze arraySephiroth has a bronze arraySephiroth has a bronze arraySephiroth has a bronze arraySephiroth has a bronze array
Re: PM Boris forms a government

Staying in will be a democratic disaster for our politics and governance which is worse than the short term challenges that no-deal exit must bring.

Boris, not known nor revered for his honesty, does at least understand what I’m saying.

Btw, I like the letter in today’s Tory graph that suggests he adds a letter to accompany the letter drafted by Labour to say that he, the UK PM did not write the other letter and it is not the UK guvmin’s policy. Cat, pigeons and indignation’s will follow. Can’t wait.
__________________
Seph.

My advice is at your risk.
Sephiroth is offline  
Old 10-09-2019, 22:02   #2174
jfman
Architect of Ideas
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 2,716
jfman has reached the bronze age
jfman has reached the bronze age
Re: PM Boris forms a government

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth View Post
Staying in will be a democratic disaster for our politics and governance which is worse than the short term challenges that no-deal exit must bring.

Boris, not known nor revered for his honesty, does at least understand what Iím saying.

Btw, I like the letter in todayís Tory graph that suggests he adds a letter to accompany the letter drafted by Labour to say that he, the UK PM did not write the other letter and it is not the UK guvminís policy. Cat, pigeons and indignationís will follow. Canít wait.
Our politics is irreconcilably broken either way.

As the Taoiseach pointed out yesterday all the stumbling blocks of a deal are the stumbling blocks of a future trade agreement. The fact we would have left, instead of be leaving, doesnít change that.
jfman is offline  
Old 10-09-2019, 22:15   #2175
1andrew1
cf.mega poster
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 6,602
1andrew1 has a bronzed appeal1andrew1 has a bronzed appeal
1andrew1 has a bronzed appeal1andrew1 has a bronzed appeal1andrew1 has a bronzed appeal1andrew1 has a bronzed appeal1andrew1 has a bronzed appeal1andrew1 has a bronzed appeal
Re: PM Boris forms a government

Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman View Post
Our politics is irreconcilably broken either way.

As the Taoiseach pointed out yesterday all the stumbling blocks of a deal are the stumbling blocks of a future trade agreement. The fact we would have left, instead of be leaving, doesnít change that.
Exactly. It just puts us in a weaker negotiating position as we go cap in hand to Ireland and the EU. Please sir, can I have some more...trade? Embarrassing.
1andrew1 is offline  
Closed Thread


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 01:23.


Server: xenon.zmnt.net
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions Inc.