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Old 06-03-2021, 20:58   #61
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Re: The future of television

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Eh?

You can already record IPTV...

https://www.simplehelp.net/2019/12/1...n-iptv-stream/

ON your second point, you’re still saying there won’t be a daily schedule of timed programmes running one after another (like we have now), just scheduled live "stuff"?

I beg to disagree.
Yes Hugh you can record an IPTV stream manually and not just through VLAN. Now be a good little boy and go research how to set up IPTV linear stream program in advance.
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Old 06-03-2021, 21:18   #62
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But as Hugh’s definition clarifies, it’s not recordable over IP.

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I think what will happen is that programmes will appear on designated days, just like on other streamers. Only the live stuff will commence at a particular time later in the day.

You’ve only got to look at Amazon to see how this is likely to work.

Yes, it’s just a different method of delivery, but I have never claimed otherwise. But the way we access the content will feel very different from now.
So in other words you still think that linear TV will end, with the extremely limited exception of stuff that can’t physically be supplied any other way because it’s live. You think no broadcaster would actually choose to make any content available according to a strict linear schedule.

Or am I misunderstanding you again? Perhaps put it this way: do you or do you not think that Eastenders and Coronation Street will continue to be made available at a set time each weekday evening?
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Yes Hugh you can record an IPTV stream manually and not just through VLAN. Now be a good little boy and go research how to set up IPTV linear stream program in advance.
I'm sure whoever provides the set top boxes of the future will help out here.
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I'm sure whoever provides the set top boxes of the future will help out here.
I have no doubt but you cannot at present which I think OB was alluding to.
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Eh?

You can already record IPTV...

https://www.simplehelp.net/2019/12/1...n-iptv-stream/

ON your second point, you’re still saying there won’t be a daily schedule of timed programmes running one after another (like we have now), just scheduled live "stuff"?

I beg to disagree.
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Yes Hugh you can record an IPTV stream manually and not just through VLAN. Now be a good little boy and go research how to set up IPTV linear stream program in advance.
Someone pee on your chips, or are you always so sour?

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I have no doubt but you cannot at present which I think OB was alluding to.
But we’re talking about 14 years in the future, when he believes everything will be delivered over IP...
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I have no doubt but you cannot at present which I think OB was alluding to.
Well that's the challenge with OBs predictions - it's hard to pin down exactly what he means because he refuses to answer straightforward questions that would assist others in understanding his intent.

The likelihood is cloud recording, to the extent recording exists at all, would replace local recording on a STB over time. In which case all you are really doing is streaming 'on demand'. Of course that doesn't mean that linear television won't exist at all.

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Eh?

You can already record IPTV...

https://www.simplehelp.net/2019/12/1...n-iptv-stream/

ON your second point, you’re still saying there won’t be a daily schedule of timed programmes running one after another (like we have now), just scheduled live "stuff"?

I beg to disagree.
Oh, yeah, I can well imagine the multitudes doing that!

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So in other words you still think that linear TV will end, with the extremely limited exception of stuff that can’t physically be supplied any other way because it’s live. You think no broadcaster would actually choose to make any content available according to a strict linear schedule.

Or am I misunderstanding you again? Perhaps put it this way: do you or do you not think that Eastenders and Coronation Street will continue to be made available at a set time each weekday evening?
Obviously, that could happen, but I think it is far more likely that these programmes will be loaded at the same time each morning. Why would they load the day’s programmes to an on demand system in dribs and drabs? Only the live streams are likely to be available from a later time in the day or evening, I would have thought.
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So there are live streams of scheduled content?
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Well that's the challenge with OBs predictions - it's hard to pin down exactly what he means because he refuses to answer straightforward questions that would assist others in understanding his intent.

The likelihood is cloud recording, to the extent recording exists at all, would replace local recording on a STB over time. In which case all you are really doing is streaming 'on demand'. Of course that doesn't mean that linear television won't exist at all.
You must be seriously over-thinking this, jfman.

Scheduled channels gone. Content by on demand and streaming. What is confusing about that?

Clearly, you disagree with my view of the future, which is fine. Knock yourself out.
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Oh, yeah, I can well imagine the multitudes doing that!

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Obviously, that could happen, but I think it is far more likely that these programmes will be loaded at the same time each morning. Why would they load the day’s programmes to an on demand system in dribs and drabs? Only the live streams are likely to be available from a later time in the day or evening, I would have thought.
I thought you were the one who thought solutions could be found for everything?

btw, I was only showing that IPTV could be recorded, not recommending it...

As was said earlier, by 2035, I would imagine most recordings are kept in the "cloud", however they are delivered/retained.

(Be a beggar when t’internet goes down - no TV, no recordings to watch)
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I do disagree, yes absolutely. However your contradictions made it difficult to work out exactly what points I’m supposed to challenge. I can’t, genuinely, work out if someone watching a scheduled television channel over an app is watching what you consider to be linear. Or if such channels will exist in your 2037 vision a la Pluto TV.
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I thought you were the one who thought solutions could be found for everything?

btw, I was only showing that IPTV could be recorded, not recommending it...

As was said earlier, by 2035, I would imagine most recordings are kept in the "cloud", however they are delivered/retained.


(Be a beggar when t’internet goes down - no TV, no recordings to watch)
Agreed, although I think these would be bookmarks rather than recordings, wouldn't they?

I also agree that with no internet, there would be no TV. That would certainly be a bummer.
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Agreed, although I think these would be bookmarks rather than recordings, wouldn't they?

I also agree that with no internet, there would be no TV. That would certainly be a bummer.
BT's broadband options now include the option for the router to switch to the EE 4G mobile network if broadband goes down. With 5G rolling out, I could see this helping to work around such TV downtimes in the short term, though not perfect.

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It's the percentage of people who don't want/need internet that would suddenly be paying £30+ for full fibre just to get a minimum TV service that's the issue.
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Yup. As long as public service broadcasting is a principle upheld in UK legislation, there will have to be a way of delivering it that’s free to receive.

Far too many people have so far failed to grasp the implications of public service broadcasting, especially on the Tory right where there’s a tendency to make simplistic and wholly false connections between the TV license and Netflix-style subscriptions. The only way the BBC is going to go behind a paywall is if it is relieved of its PSB obligations. And if the BBC is no longer a public service broadcaster, why should ITV, Channel 4 and Five want to continue to be saddled with those obligations?

A public service broadcaster has to be free-to-view, otherwise it’s not providing a public service. It really is that simple.

If the future is in IP delivery then we either abandon public service broadcasting or we put a service obligation on telecoms companies to provide IP-based TV streams for free. That’s a lot to ask.
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