Liberal Democrat conference/manifesto - Page 5

denphone · 18-09-2019, 20:04

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Originally Posted by pip08456

Er, you do realise there's a conference coming up where Momentum will tell them exactly what to do.

Indeed that is the case but that is no different then the Conservatives talking to their political masters as well.

Mr K · 18-09-2019, 20:07

Doing rather well in the polls, the Lib Dems. The main attraction being they aren't Conservative or Labour. Not a high bar to achieve.

denphone · 18-09-2019, 20:10

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Originally Posted by Mr K

Doing rather well in the polls, the Lib Dems. The main attraction being they aren't Conservative or Labour. Not a high bar to achieve.

Doing well in the polls does not mean it will turn itself into a whole lot of new MP's come the general election.

OLD BOY · 18-09-2019, 20:13

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Originally Posted by denphone

Doing well in the polls does not mean it will turn itself into a whole lot of new MP's come the general election.

With luck it will just split the Labour vote and allow the Conservatives to romp home with a huge majority.

nomadking · 18-09-2019, 20:14

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Originally Posted by jfman

I'm saying they are quite tame. I challenge anyone to name an outlandish policy that will push me into hardship.

Every one of their policies will cost money and add to inflation.

jfman · 18-09-2019, 20:15

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Originally Posted by nomadking

Every one of their policies will cost money and add to inflation.

That's not how inflation works.

pip08456 · 18-09-2019, 20:16

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

With luck it will just split the Labour vote and allow the Conservatives to romp home with a huge majority.

Don't forget the Brexit party OB. If Boris does not deliver...

OLD BOY · 18-09-2019, 20:18

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Originally Posted by pip08456

Don't forget the Brexit party OB. If Boris does not deliver...

I'm sure he will...

**Damien** · 18-09-2019, 20:19

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Originally Posted by Pierre

Strictly speaking it is.

Marxism is basically where the government control all of the national resources.

Well Marxism is, again correct me if I am wrong since I am not an expert, essentially communism. The abolishment of private property with the nations resources spread out to 'ensure equality'.

I think it's a bit of a leap to say nationalising the railway is therefore Marxist. You could argue any government ownership if Marxist if that was the case and the term would be useless as a result.

denphone · 18-09-2019, 20:20

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

With luck it will just split the Labour vote and allow the Conservatives to romp home with a huge majority.

Looking at the long term polling data graphs for the last 9 years a couple of weeks ago your scenario is very unlikely to play out and predictions are the Conservatives will win most seats but will not have a overall majority.

Mr K · 18-09-2019, 20:23

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I'm sure he will...

Yes, you were sure about.TM aswell...

Pierre · 18-09-2019, 20:26

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Originally Posted by jfman

None of these things are in the Labour manifesto.

Have you seen the Manifesto for the next election? You must be on the inside then.

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Originally Posted by jfman

Explain what policies in the Labour manifesto would do this, clearly outlining how they couldn't be fully costed.

We get it, you don't like state functions because there's profits that capitalists could cream off the top.

Could you forward me a copy of the manifesto for the next election then, as seen as you know all about it.

nomadking · 18-09-2019, 20:28

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Originally Posted by jfman

That's not how inflation works.

Adding costs and taxes to businesses, adds to inflation.

jfman · 18-09-2019, 20:29

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Originally Posted by Pierre

Have you seen the Manifesto for the next election? You must be on the inside then.

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Could you forward me a copy of the manifesto for the next election then, as seen as you know all about it.

The 2017 one will do. I haven't seen any indication Corbyn or McDonnell have changed much since then.

It's also Old Boy making the claim this hypothetical manifesto will put me into hardship. Has he seen it?

Pierre · 18-09-2019, 20:32

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Originally Posted by Mr K

Doing rather well in the polls, the Lib Dems. The main attraction being they aren't Conservative or Labour. Not a high bar to achieve.

To be fair, since the referendum, and the election, they have sorted their shehite out.

You are under no illusion what a vote for the LibDems is, and that is attractive to many.

Only issue is, if they are the king makers in a future coalition they could not afford to throw away a red line like revoking A.50 again, like they did with tuition fees.

Making such a future coalition with the Tories ( I know but for argument) impossible and with Labour, very problematic for Labour and the LibDems.

Making a potential coalition ( if the numbers stacked up) between Tory and Brexit ( if we haven’t left) more likely.