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[Stephen]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

It's not my style to go around snitching on people, this sort of thing is best left to others

The idea was a non starter anyway as it only covers TV. I would lose various discounts if I cancelled my official TV subscription. This, coupled with the charge for the pirated service, would have actually cost me more. In addition, there's no comeback if the pirated content stops functioning and they refuse to resolve the issue.

That's a pretty poor attitude to have.

So let's say you saw a mugging or someone stealing from a store, would you call the Police, or report the crime?

I am sure you would, a crime is a crime at the end of the day. Piracy is no different.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Stephen

That's a pretty poor attitude to have.

So let's say you saw a mugging or someone stealing from a store, would you call the Police, or report the crime?

I am sure you would, a crime is a crime at the end of the day. Piracy is no different.

Piracy is often seen as a little different, because on first appearances, the victim isn't an individual. It's a huge faceless organisation that can probably afford the losses.

The problem is, the huge faceless organisation isn't the victim as it will either pass on the cost to it's customers, or (in extreme cases) it may decide the service is unprofitable and cut some of the programming. Either way, other users are the victims, not the huge faceless organisation.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Stephen

That's a pretty poor attitude to have.

So let's say you saw a mugging or someone stealing from a store, would you call the Police, or report the crime?

I am sure you would, a crime is a crime at the end of the day. Piracy is no different.

Perhaps I should start with reporting you for not having a TV licence

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

It's not my style to go around snitching on people, this sort of thing is best left to others

The idea was a non starter anyway as it only covers TV. I would lose various discounts if I cancelled my official TV subscription. This, coupled with the charge for the pirated service, would have actually cost me more. In addition, there's no comeback if the pirated content stops functioning and they refuse to resolve the issue.

I wonder if you would feel the same way if someone stole something from you, but people who saw it happen said the same thing.

Upholding the law is not "snitching".

[vincerooney]

Originally Posted by Stephen

That's a pretty poor attitude to have.

So let's say you saw a mugging or someone stealing from a store, would you call the Police, or report the crime?

I am sure you would, a crime is a crime at the end of the day. Piracy is no different.

Aye we can't really complain about bills going up if there is piracy going on and no one is reporting it but letting it go on.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Hugh

I wonder if you would feel the same way if someone stole something from you, but people who saw it happen said the same thing.

Upholding the law is not "snitching".

If it was an individual or a small business I may think differently, but I doubt that John Malone will be goung to a food bank anytime soon as a result of this.

Are you going to report any of the people who have admitted to using a TV without a licence on here, or those who use other peoples log ins for streaming services, because i'm not.

OK - we know where you stand on upholding the law.

"It depends"...

And since the posters on here are anonymous, unlike the criminal who approached you, your comparison is invalid.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Hugh

OK - we know where you stand on upholding the law.

"It depends"...

And since the posters on here are anonymous, unlike the criminal who approached you, your comparison is invalid.

Your interpretation is correct.

It's perfectly possible to trace people on the internet, as i'm sure you're well aware.

Do you think that those on here who don't have a TV licence or log into other peoples accounts for streaming services are "criminals"?

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Your interpretation is correct.

It's perfectly possible to trace people on the internet, as i'm sure you're well aware.

Do you think that those on here who don't have a TV licence or log into other peoples accounts for streaming services are "criminals"?

I'm not the one who accuses others of being "snitches"...

[Mythica]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Your interpretation is correct.

It's perfectly possible to trace people on the internet, as i'm sure you're well aware.

Do you think that those on here who don't have a TV licence or log into other peoples accounts for streaming services are "criminals"?

Those that don't have a TV licence but should are breaking the law. I only know one person on here I believe might need a TV licence but stated they didn't have one. I personally bought that up to Mick on here but he didn't want to know.

Those streaming using other people's logins aren't breaking the law and in some cases aren't even breaking the terms and conditions of the streaming site.

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

If it was an individual or a small business I may think differently, but I doubt that John Malone will be goung to a food bank anytime soon as a result of this.

Are you going to report any of the people who have admitted to using a TV without a licence on here, or those who use other peoples log ins for streaming services, because i'm not.

Doesn't matter how big or small the business is. That's a horrible stance to have.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Hugh

I'm not the one who accuses others of being "snitches"...

No, you're not, but that doesn't answer my question. If you're so concerned about this, you could always start reporting people yourself.

I think that most people will have (intentionally or unintentionally) broken the law at some point in their lives, eg going slightly over the speed limit, drinking after time, continuing to watch TV after midnight until they can renew their licence the following morning.

Let him without sin cast the first stone and all that...

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

No, you're not, but that doesn't answer my question. If you're so concerned about this, you could always start reporting people yourself.

I think that most people will have (intentionally or unintentionally) broken the law at some point in their lives, eg going slightly over the speed limit, drinking after time, continuing to watch TV after midnight until they can renew their licence the following morning.

Let him without sin cast the first stone and all that...

I’m not the one who admitted aiding and abetting, you are...

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Hugh

I’m not the one who admitted aiding and abetting, you are...

Are you going to report me then? What about those members who illegally obtain pirated material on the internet? Are you going to report them too?

Edit: Just spoken to our solicitor and have been advised that an offence of aiding and abetting has not occurred in this instance. Also, there is no legal duty on me to report the pirating of VM services.

"Our solicitor"...

<snigger>

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Hugh

"Our solicitor"...

<snigger>

Why the snigger? She also advised me that your published claim that I had broken the law was potentially libellous. A withdrawal of the accusation and an apology would be greatly appreciated.