06-12-2018, 01:40
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Re: Brexit
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If the EU Court decides we can revoke article 50 unilaterally then I imagine it will have to be on the current terms since there is no mechanism for the EU to impose conditions. That said it would be fraught for a bit and we would need to fight our corner strongly....
Whole thing is a mess. I really wish there was a middle ground between the referendum and no deal Brexit that had a majority of people behind it. Both sides are playing all or nothing on this, pushing the country to the brink in the hope their side wins.
I don't know why the ERG are willing to risk Brexit because it's not perfect or why Remainers won't back a Norway option if it came to the table because they think they can overturn the referendum.
Worst of all nothing is getting done in this country for the last two years. It's all been consumed with Brexit and there is no end in sight.
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I think that could be the silver lining of all this mess, it's stopped the Government from meddling
Since Thatcher, all Governments have passed a lot of legislation, much of it useless/pointless or undoing the legislation passed by their predecessor. In particular, health and education have both called for a period of stability in the past, but each new Government thinks it has the perfect plan to end all ills.
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Now wouldn't this be a convenient get out clause for the Government to be able to say that the referendum was void and so Brexit must be cancelled?
Alternatively, it would allow them to be able to say that a new referendum must be held and that it's not their fault, they have no alternative.
It would also give the electorate another chance to come up with the 'right' answer.
Edit: Just read that the EU have said that we can keep our rebate if we decide to stay.
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Reason: Extra info.
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06-12-2018, 01:51
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Re: Brexit
I think we should do what France has done for last two weeks, riot like crazy, it worked for them, Fuel price rises have been halted.
Remainers are being naive, if they think us Brexiteers are going to sit back let us leaving a corrupted EU be cancelled as well as Democracy being destroyed in the U.K. bring the uprising against the EU on.
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06-12-2018, 02:22
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Re: Brexit
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I think we should do what France has done for last two weeks, riot like crazy, it worked for them, Fuel price rises have been halted.
Remainers are being naive, if they think us Brexiteers are going to sit back let us leaving a corrupted EU be cancelled as well as Democracy being destroyed in the U.K. bring the uprising against the EU on.
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I've bought all the pitchforks in the local Asda and Tesco Mick, sadly Lidl, Morrisons and the co-op had already ran out
Just say the word and we'll be on the move.
ps, is it ok to wear trilby hats, donkey jackets and knee pads as a uniform?
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06-12-2018, 04:40
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Re: Brexit
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just wait to deal get defeated on Tuesday
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Well unless god suddenly comes along to grant Theresa May a miracle the defeat next Tuesday is inevitable.
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06-12-2018, 06:04
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Re: Brexit
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Yes another day goes by and the Brexit express has still not been derailed
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Politically it can’t be derailed yet. To minimise the potential for repercussions at the ballot box our MPs have to be able to present it to the electorate as not having another choice.
With 3 months to go pulling the plug looks like meddling.
I prefer to think of Brexit pressing on at 125mph but there’s a set of faulty points nobody knows about just shy of the destination. Derailment is inevitable.
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06-12-2018, 09:10
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Re: Brexit
Chatting with my mates down the pub last night, we came up with a plan to solve all the issues around Brexit for a one off cost of £60bn - give everyone a million quid and we will never speak of the last two years again. Simple eh?
(clearly a silly idea as this isn't lose change and would destroy the UK consumer banking sector, property markets, cause high inflation etc)
Beer powered politics! We raised a glass to Tim Martin as we were in a Wetherspoons at the time
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06-12-2018, 09:28
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Re: Brexit
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Chatting with my mates down the pub last night, we came up with a plan to solve all the issues around Brexit for a one off cost of £60bn - give everyone a million quid and we will never speak of the last two years again. Simple eh?
(clearly a silly idea as this isn't lose change and would destroy the UK consumer banking sector, property markets, cause high inflation etc)
Beer powered politics! We raised a glass to Tim Martin as we were in a Wetherspoons at the time
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Think your maths is a bit out, more like give everyone a thousand quid.
It's going well isn't it, stockpiling food, Kent turned into a lorry park and only some of us are going to die, even the promise of cheap shoes for the plebs is hollow now and I was relying on them to
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06-12-2018, 09:29
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Re: Brexit
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Quote from jonbxx:
Chatting with my mates down the pub last night, we came up with a plan to solve all the issues around Brexit for a one off cost of £60bn - give everyone a million quid and we will never speak of the last two years again. Simple eh?
(clearly a silly idea as this isn't lose change and would destroy the UK consumer banking sector, property markets, cause high inflation etc)
Beer powered politics! We raised a glass to Tim Martin as we were in a Wetherspoons at the time
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More like a £1,000. You never majored in maths did you?
However it still highlights that May's EU bill is around £600 for every man, woman and child in the UK. I could certainly put that money to better use.
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06-12-2018, 11:18
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Re: Brexit
Dammit, the beers were well in by that point! Plain foiled!
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06-12-2018, 12:11
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Re: Brexit
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Dammit, the beers were well in by that point! Plain foiled!
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Well to be fair, most plans formulated during a 'session' to tend to have a little 'Baldrick' associated within them
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06-12-2018, 21:11
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Re: Brexit
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06-12-2018, 21:23
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Re: Brexit
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exactly
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06-12-2018, 21:35
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Re: Brexit
I feel like chewing my own foot off.
Several more days of pointless self flagellation, the deal is dead.
Can we move onto a vote and see what happens next.
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Who gives a flying.......?
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06-12-2018, 23:19
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Re: Brexit
When people claim these issues are “settled” for a generation they do so on the basis they assume a decisive result. Where the result is narrow, of public opinion moves, the campaign continues. As with Scottish independence, had leaving the EU narrowly lost people would have continued to push for it.
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Is this the first time Corbyn has outright mentioned a public vote as on option?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...use-vote-nears
I know in the past we have had the woolly “all options are on the table”.
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07-12-2018, 10:49
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Re: Brexit
The only problem with the vote is that it has to be a binary choice like the first referendum.
The deal is dead and is defacto staying in the EU anyway so it should be put to one side.
The referendum should be a straightforward re-run .........Now that all thickos know what bthey are voting for (sarcasm)
Options should be:
1) Withdraw article 50 and remain on the same terms as we were on.
2) Leave with a hard brexit.
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