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Old 09-10-2019, 20:50   #1186
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We will man the border to keep immigrants out while waving smugglers of chlorinated chicken through.
Just as the EU currently keeps illegal immigrants and horse meat masquerading as beef, out of the EU.
Nothing stopping a country sending chlorinated chicken, which is safer the the EU version. The issue was about imposing more costly abattoir standards on the rest of the EU and beyond.


Chlorinated chicken: How safe is it?
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Fears over chlorine-washed chicken and other US farming practices have been described by US ambassador to the UK Woody Johnson as "inflammatory and misleading".
Mr Johnson urged the UK to embrace US farming methods after Washington published its objectives for a UK-US trade deal. He said the process was used by EU farmers to treat vegetables, and that it was the best way to deal with salmonella and other bacteria.
So is it safe? The evidence suggests the chlorine wash itself is not harmful. But the concern is that treating meat with chlorine at the end allows poorer hygiene elsewhere in the production process.
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It's not consuming chlorine itself that the EU is worried about - in fact in 2005 the European Food Safety Authority said that "exposure to chlorite residues arising from treated poultry carcasses would be of no safety concern". Chlorine-rinsed bagged salads are common in the UK and other countries in the EU. But the EU believes that relying on a chlorine rinse at the end of the meat production process could be a way of compensating for poor hygiene standards - such as dirty or crowded abattoirs.
And dirty or crowded abattoirs don't exist, with EU rules in place?


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Poultry carcass treatment: While this practice is commonly used in the US and other countries, it is forbidden in the EU. In conjunction with other controls, it is an effective tool to reduce the risk of Salmonella contamination in poultry meat.
This is what the EU allows in
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Brazil is the largest exporter of frozen chicken in the world, exporting $750m-worth of the meat to Europe last year. But about one in five of its birds are contaminated with the food poisoning bug salmonella.
How is washing with air and water better?
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Old 09-10-2019, 20:52   #1187
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According the No 10's 'source' that is. We don't have her saying that publicly or confirming she said it in that call. Instead she seemed to have given perfect ammunition to No 10 according to No 10s account. No 10 heading by that most honest of politicians Boris Johnson who wouldn't lie, lie and lie again whenever he felt like it.
Nor has she come back and said that was a lie,
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Old 09-10-2019, 20:56   #1188
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion

Fears over US farming standards have been dismissed.... By US farmers. The new Boeing jet was safe too.

Beyond parody.

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Nor has she come back and said that was a lie,
Probably doesn't have time to pander to German morons, never mind English ones.
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Old 09-10-2019, 20:56   #1189
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According the No 10's 'source' that is. We don't have her saying that publicly or confirming she said it in that call. Instead she seemed to have given perfect ammunition to No 10 according to No 10s account. No 10 heading by that most honest of politicians Boris Johnson who wouldn't lie, lie and lie again whenever he felt like it.
So under the official EU claimed reason, which EU countries could decide to leave? Only Malta could leave as there is no land borders.
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Old 09-10-2019, 21:01   #1190
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So under the official EU claimed reason, which EU countries could decide to leave? Only Malta could leave as there is no land borders.
What "EU claimed reason" are you referring to? In what Treaty?
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Old 09-10-2019, 21:10   #1191
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Nor has she come back and said that was a lie,
She probably doesn't want to outright accuse them of lying especially since, as with their way, the cowardly approach to the statement that means No 10 can deny it anyway. You're not meant to be doing these things as leaders of countries talking to each other.

They have also said via 'sources' the transcription was inaccurate but left it at that: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/worl...rkel-1.4044213

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Senior German sources say the conversation between the two leaders was not as described in the UK media.


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So under the official EU claimed reason, which EU countries could decide to leave? Only Malta could leave as there is no land borders.
So you think we need to take the border approach?
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Old 09-10-2019, 21:20   #1192
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We will man the border to keep immigrants out while waving smugglers of chlorinated chicken through.
Immigrants are not the problem as we need them to do the jobs that UK nationals can't and/or don't want to do.

It's the government's failure to manage the consequences of immigration that is the problem and probably the main reason why people voted to leave the EU.

That's why we are short of teachers, doctors, nurses, radiographers etc not to mention adequate amounts of housing,appropriate numbers of school places,prison places, power stations etc. Basically, it's a lack of foresight and planning.
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Old 09-10-2019, 21:23   #1193
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Immigrants are not the problem as we need them to do the jobs that UK nationals can't and/or don't want to do.

It's the government's failure to manage the consequences of immigration that is the problem and probably the main reason why people voted to leave the EU.

That's why we are short of teachers, doctors, nurses, radiographers etc not to mention adequate amounts of housing,appropriate numbers of school places,prison places, power stations etc. Basically, it's a lack of foresight and planning.
Preaching to the converted mate.
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Old 09-10-2019, 21:36   #1194
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Fears over US farming standards have been dismissed.... By US farmers. The new Boeing jet was safe too.

Beyond parody.

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Probably doesn't have time to pander to German morons, never mind English ones.
Doesn't matter one little bit, what the farming standards are. The important bit is the final end result, ie which is safer.

The Poultry World article was "By Rick van Oort, Ceva Sante Animale, France", and seems to be a European website.

The fact remains that chlorinated washing is safer than with just air and water. It certainly can't be worse, as common sense says that air and water is already included in the chlorinated washing. The EU has pronounced that it is a safe process.

Other measures are the ones that have actually reduced infection rates, and the US has their own ones which have also done that.

EU measures work so well don't they.
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Every home-cooked chicken poses a food poisoning risk because supermarkets are acting too slowly to eradicate a dangerous bug, officials have said.
Tests over the past nine months found 73 per cent of chickens in supermarkets contained campylobacter, which makes 280,000 people ill every year and can cause death.
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Marks & Spencer said a trial of five new policies, which included offering bonuses to farmers who kept campylobacter out of their flocks and blasting the surface of chickens with liquid nitrogen, had produced a "step-change improvement".
That's outside of EU regs.

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What "EU claimed reason" are you referring to? In what Treaty?
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"We need operational real controls, credible controls, we are talking about the credibility of the single market here - its credulity to consumers, to companies, and to third counties that we have agreements with."
How would that also not apply to any EU country with a land border?


Article 50 is in the Lisbon Treaty, which Ireland(eventually) approved in a referendum.
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This is all the more important as Article 50 TEU lowers the conditions for a withdrawal as stipulated under international law.
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Old 09-10-2019, 21:37   #1195
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Farming standards don't matter.

We've had enough of experts
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Old 09-10-2019, 22:05   #1196
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Farming standards don't matter.

We've had enough of experts
They're not relevant in the context of chlorinated chicken and EU rules. As I said, the important thing is the end result. Chlorinated washing improves the end result. Whatever way you look at it, EU foodstuffs would be safer if they used chlorinated washing. If the EU was that interested in food safety, then it would seem they should impose a regime of washing with liquid nitrogen.
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Marks & Spencer said a trial of five new policies, which included offering bonuses to farmers who kept campylobacter out of their flocks and blasting the surface of chickens with liquid nitrogen, had produced a "step-change improvement".

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Old 09-10-2019, 22:17   #1197
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What "EU claimed reason" are you referring to? In what Treaty?
It's Cummings' famous fake news spin that even BoJo couldn't bring himself to repeat to his Cabinet.

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Keep your chickens, I haven't touched them for years.

I've already seen and read enough about places in the UK that process and package chickens, to avoid them at all costs.

Oh, and if you think processing factories are any different in other countries . . . . .

I used to work in a food factory . . quality control my arse
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So what are the NEW developments if any?
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So what are the NEW developments if any?
Boris is talking to Leo...........
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