Coronavirus

[Jaymoss]

Originally Posted by Pierre

I don't know, was it much better? would it have been much worse? We'll find out if there is ever an objective inquiry undertaken.

wonder what you will say if you find out you were totally wrong

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Jaymoss

wonder what you will say if you find out you were totally wrong

There’s a whole thread of material to draw upon right here.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

On balance of probability I think it’s more likely that you are wrong.

I'll take those odds.

Blinded by your opposition to the state intervening in any aspect of life and seeming propensity to anti-vax rhetoric.

You can't get me on the anti-vax, even though I can see you're just yearning to. So desperate for any slur you can throw my way to try and give your untenanted statements and arguments weight.

I'm fully vaccinated, and when offered the booster I'll take it and I'm having my flu jab this week.

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Originally Posted by jfman

There’s a whole thread of material to draw upon right here.

you're right, it's inevitable.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

I'll take those odds.

You can't get me on the anti-vax, even though I can see you're just yearning to. So desperate for any slur you can throw my way to try and give your untenanted statements and arguments weight.

I'm fully vaccinated, and when offered the booster I'll take it and I'm having my flu jab this week.

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you're right, it's inevitable.

Ah, the nuance that you've missed (not like you!) is that you can simultaneously be vaccinated personally - why not it's perfectly rational to seek to minimise your own risk - and push anti-vax messaging upon others around risks to children or other groups you don't deem worthy of state intervention.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

Ah, the nuance that you've missed (not like you!) is that you can simultaneously be vaccinated personally - why not it's perfectly rational to seek to minimise your own risk - and push anti-vax messaging upon others around risks to children or other groups you don't deem worthy of state intervention.

In regards to the question of vaccinating children, which is the nub of your post. It is not anti-vax to be hesitant and even critical of the need to vaccinate a cohort where the evidence is extremely thin as to the benefit it provides. As I understand it , the difference in impact to the health of the child due to potential side-effects of the Vaccine v's the impacts of the health of the child contracting Covid are negligible.

There is no tangible benefit. So for my two young children I'm not going to stick anything in their arm that isn't going to be of any benefit to them.

That's not anti-vax.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

In regards to the question of vaccinating children, which is the nub of your post. It is not anti-vax to be hesitant and even critical of the need to vaccinate a cohort where the evidence is extremely thin as to the benefit it provides. As I understand it , the difference in impact to the health of the child due to potential side-effects of the Vaccine v's the impacts of the health of the child contracting Covid are negligible.

There is no tangible benefit. So for my two young children I'm not going to stick anything in their arm that isn't going to be of any benefit to them.

That's not anti-vax.

The scientific evidence is clear on the benefit of vaccinating children around the world. Regulators - again around the world - have deemed the vaccines both safe and effective.

To deny that is literally to follow anti-vax narratives. As I had clearly stated in my post above. Your position is not hesitant - you clearly claim without evidence that there is no tangible benefit.

Interesting that you took a booster though - was it not you a mere few months back talking about the benefits of sending vaccines to Africa instead? For someone who vociferously argued that allowing the virus to spread was a coherent strategy due to the risks being extremely low (even without vaccination) you are certainly keen to hedge the odds in your favour at every opportunity.

Apologies if it was someone else, but nobody else springs to mind.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by jfman

The scientific evidence is clear on the benefit of vaccinating children around the world. Regulators - again around the world - have deemed the vaccines both safe and effective.

To deny that is literally to follow anti-vax narratives. As I had clearly stated in my post above. Your position is not hesitant - you clearly claim without evidence that there is no tangible benefit.

Interesting that you took a booster though - was it not you a mere few months back talking about the benefits of sending vaccines to Africa instead? For someone who vociferously argued that allowing the virus to spread was a coherent strategy due to the risks being extremely low (even without vaccination) you are certainly keen to hedge the odds in your favour at every opportunity.

Apologies if it was someone else, but nobody else springs to mind.

Are your children covid vaccinated ?

Originally Posted by Pierre

In regards to the question of vaccinating children, which is the nub of your post. It is not anti-vax to be hesitant and even critical of the need to vaccinate a cohort where the evidence is extremely thin as to the benefit it provides. As I understand it , the difference in impact to the health of the child due to potential side-effects of the Vaccine v's the impacts of the health of the child contracting Covid are negligible.

There is no tangible benefit. So for my two young children I'm not going to stick anything in their arm that isn't going to be of any benefit to them.

That's not anti-vax.

Unless you want to take them on holiday…

Originally Posted by Pierre

I don't think I will be in any rush to have my two boys vaccinated but no doubt it will be forced on upon them if we want to go on holiday.

There is no reason to have under 18's (you could probably go as far as under 30) vaccinated.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Are your children covid vaccinated ?

No. I read once on the internet they’d grow an extra head and a bloke in the Spectator said we’d already hit herd immunity (three times). So I decided they were a better judge of science than the scientists.

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Unless you want to take them on holiday…

As I said before he’s a principled one.

Originally Posted by jfman

No. I read once on the internet they’d grow an extra head and a bloke in the Spectator said we’d already hit herd immunity (three times). So I decided they were a better judge of science than the scientists.

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As I said before he’s a principled one.

[Carth]

I'll have a bottle of that, cheers

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

The scientific evidence is clear on the benefit of vaccinating children around the world.

Are you sure about that?

Interesting that you took a booster though

interesting you don't read posts properly. I said when offered, I'll take it. I haven't been offered one.

was it not you a mere few months back talking about the benefits of sending vaccines to Africa instead?

I did, I can't recall exactly (i'm sure king of the search function - Hugh will find the relevant post ) in what context I said it. I think was along the lines of instead of vaccinating under 30's, vaccinate the at risk groups globally. I still stand by that.

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Unless you want to take them on holiday…

We'll probably go to Spain

The Spanish government requires all arrivals to Spain from the UK (excluding children under the age of 12 years old) to present on entry one of the following:

https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-ad...y-requirements

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Hugh

I recently read a book written about you.

[Pierre]

Oh look!

There is no vaccine currently approved for under-12s in the UK

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57888429

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

The scientific evidence is clear on the benefit of vaccinating children around the world. Regulators - again around the world - have deemed the vaccines both safe and effective.

The vaccines are safe as far as vaccines go, yes, but all vaccines produce side effects in some people.

The hesitancy around vaccinating children is that the risk of becoming ill with Covid is extremely small, and therefore one has to weigh the balance of whether to take the small risk of not vaccinating against a virus that is unlikely to affect them or vaccinate and take the small risk that they may get side effects.

The net benefit of vaccinating children is extremely small, so much so that the scientists were hesitant about recommending that children should be vaccinated. Although on balance they decided it would be, it was close, and in all probability based on keeping transmission rates down.