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1andrew1 · 13-06-2021, 13:01

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

What about all the businesses that will go under if these restrictions are maintained?

Anyone would think we didn't have a vaccine that had been offered to all vulnerable groups.

jfman has said he's in favour of the business support and furlough schemes.

I would like to think that if it's one more month, banks would show some flexibility as well.

OLD BOY · 13-06-2021, 16:15

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

jfman has said he's in favour of the business support and furlough schemes.

I would like to think that if it's one more month, banks would show some flexibility as well.

It’s not enough. Give it one more month, then another, and another…it will never end.

We need to go for it now. We have to learn to live with Covid as we do with flu.

**Damien** · 13-06-2021, 16:31

The thing is we know the vaccines work. The spike in cases is amongst those who've not yet had the vaccination so there is a clear end goal in sight: get everyone over 40/35 a double dose and those above 20 a single dose at least. Being that double dose number right up.

It's not as if there isn't an end in sight so why risk putting the NHS under pressure again and making matters worse than they need to be when we're so close.

**Hugh** · 13-06-2021, 16:49

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

It’s not enough. Give it one more month, then another, and another…it will never end.

We need to go for it now. We have to learn to live with Covid as we do with flu.

Scaremongering…

Pierre · 13-06-2021, 19:00

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Originally Posted by Damien

The thing is we know the vaccines work.

Yay.

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The spike in cases is amongst those who've not yet had the vaccination so there is a clear end goal in sight: get everyone over 40/35 a double dose and those above 20 a single dose at least. Being that double dose number right up.

It’s also amongst those that don’t need a vaccination

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It's not as if there isn't an end in sight so why risk putting the NHS under pressure again and making matters worse than they need to be when we're so close.

Is the NHS under pressure? Do forecasts show the NHS being under pressure?

Sephiroth · 13-06-2021, 19:05

I think the only pressure on the NHS right now is the backlog of non-Covid treatments.

OLD BOY · 13-06-2021, 19:52

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Originally Posted by Damien

The thing is we know the vaccines work. The spike in cases is amongst those who've not yet had the vaccination so there is a clear end goal in sight: get everyone over 40/35 a double dose and those above 20 a single dose at least. Being that double dose number right up.

It's not as if there isn't an end in sight so why risk putting the NHS under pressure again and making matters worse than they need to be when we're so close.

Did you actually note how many under 40s ended up in hospital? The increased infections and transmission rates will have only a marginal impact on hospitalisations. Given that, what is your point?

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Scaremongering…

Oh, yeah? It’s those arguing for ever-increasing extensions that are scaremongering.

PS - Did you hear we have a vaccine?

PPS - Did you know that the vulnerable groups have been vaccinated?

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

I think the only pressure on the NHS right now is the backlog of non-Covid treatments.

Too true. People need to get real now and reassess priorities.

Pierre · 13-06-2021, 20:24

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

I think the only pressure on the NHS right now is the backlog of non-Covid treatments.

Indeed

**Hugh** · 13-06-2021, 20:36

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Did you actually note how many under 40s ended up in hospital? The increased infections and transmission rates will have only a marginal impact on hospitalisations. Given that, what is your point?

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Oh, yeah? It’s those arguing for ever-increasing extensions that are scaremongering.

PS - Did you hear we have a vaccine?

PPS - Did you know that the vulnerable groups have been vaccinated?

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Too true. People need to get real now and reassess priorities.

No one’s arguing for "ever increasing extensions" - you’re just making stuff up/scaremongering.

OLD BOY · 13-06-2021, 20:44

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Originally Posted by Hugh

No one’s arguing for "ever increasing extensions" - you’re just making stuff up/scaremongering.

So if Boris extends by 4 weeks, what comes next?

Mr K · 13-06-2021, 20:47

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

So if Boris extends by 4 weeks, what comes next?

You must have more faith in Billy Bunter and Prattcock OB. They know what they are doing

1andrew1 · 13-06-2021, 21:41

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

So if Boris extends by 4 weeks, what comes next?

Is this a trick question?

The end of the extension and the end of all restrictions.

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Hopefully, the postponement might be less than four weeks

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Johnson to delay lockdown easing for England on Monday

Prime minister likely to say postponement could be kept to 2 weeks if data improves

Boris Johnson on Monday will approve a delay to the final easing of England’s lockdown restrictions on June 21, with the postponement kept to two weeks if the vaccination and infection data prove better than expected.

The UK prime minister will meet Cabinet ministers to sign off on what officials expect to be a four-week delay to the final relaxation of coronavirus curbs, due to the rapid spread of the Delta variant of coronavirus that was first identified in India.

https://www.ft.com/content/e781a740-...e-0949f42e0891

pip08456 · 13-06-2021, 22:19

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Is this a trick question?

The end of the extension and the end of all restrictions.

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Hopefully, the postponement might be less than four weeks

https://www.ft.com/content/e781a740-...e-0949f42e0891

And if a new "variant of concern" comes along do we have to wait for the data on that before the end of all restrictions?

Like Pierre, I'm lucky as my situation means the lockdowns have had no real effect but for minor issues like havng to wear a mask etc. No big deal. Any extention will not affect me personally but I do not think it is right to do so.

An increase of 2 weeks may well be enough to push businesses in the hospitality and entertainment industry over the brink with the loss of many thousands of jobs. Furlough doesn't guarantee a job will still be there when the restrictions are lifted.

Mental health issues are likely to rise and is a problem for the future. I know the roadmap was hopefully expected dates but many have taken it as gospel.

It's OK saying "What's another 2 weeks?", well for some it could be a big problem.

1andrew1 · 13-06-2021, 22:32

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Originally Posted by pip08456

And if a new "variant of concern" comes along do we have to wait for the data on that before the end of all restrictions?

Like Pierre, I'm lucky as my situation means the lockdowns have had no real effect but for minor issues like havng to wear a mask etc. No big deal. Any extention will not affect me personally but I do not think it is right to do so.

An increase of 2 weeks may well be enough to push businesses in the hospitality and entertainment industry over the brink with the loss of many thousands of jobs. Furlough doesn't guarantee a job will still be there when the restrictions are lifted.

Mental health issues are likely to rise and is a problem for the future. I know the roadmap was hopefully expected dates but many have taken it as gospel.

It's OK saying "What's another 2 weeks?", well for some it could be a big problem.

Do you think BoJo should base his decisions around mental health issues alone? I'm sure you would be calling him pandering to the snowflakes if he did this.

**Damien** · 13-06-2021, 22:38

It looks like this is happening so Witty and Valance will express what the concerns of SAGE and the Government are.

Maybe there will be a two-week review into it to see if the concerns about hospitals and cases can be calmed or not. In Bolton, the peak quickly subsided which is promising but the delay between cases and hospitalisations is probably what concerns them. It's only in the last week or so the cases shot up so any knock-on for hospitals will come to the end of the next one and into the week after.