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jfman · 12-06-2021, 22:21

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Does the data show a particularly worrying upsurge in hospitalisations, then? I thought they were relatively flat.

What I would like to see is an abandonment of the legal requirement to wear masks and socially distance. That will enable businesses that are suffering or unable to open to get back on their feet. They have limited impact on transmission anyway, particularly during the summer.

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I will celebrate with a mask-burning barbecue when this ridiculous legislation is finally abandoned.

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Or maybe the media is simply sensationalising, yet again.

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Clearly, that is not the only question. It’s more complicated than this, and the scientists are going into apocalyptic mode. It must be the stress of it all.

You can have your hopes and aspirations but as I’ve repeated often it only leads to disappointment.

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Can we have our lives back now

Aside international travel is there a single restriction that actually has any meaningful inconvenience to your day to day life?

spiderplant · 12-06-2021, 22:33

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Does the data show a particularly worrying upsurge in hospitalisations, then? I thought they were relatively flat

That isn't the only consideration. These are the government's 4 key tests for progressing the roadmap:

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- the vaccine deployment programme continues successfully
- evidence shows vaccines are sufficiently effective in reducing hospitalisations and deaths in those vaccinated
- infection rates do not risk a surge in hospitalisations which would put unsustainable pressure on the NHS
- our assessment of the risks is not fundamentally changed by new Variants of Concern

The fourth one is clearly not met at the moment, and the third is questionable.

Sephiroth · 12-06-2021, 22:38

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Originally Posted by jfman

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Aside international travel is there a single restriction that actually has any meaningful inconvenience to your day to day life?

Just on my part, the bloody nanny state that is Waitrose, Wokingham. We increasingly shop in Waitrose, Twyford.

Pierre · 12-06-2021, 23:12

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Originally Posted by jfman

Aside international travel is there a single restriction that actually has any meaningful inconvenience to your day to day life?

It’s not about me. Such a selfish attitude to take, not unsurprising. I take it that’s how you view the world? If it doesn’t impact me.....who gives a fu..... not me.

There have been no restrictions that have impacted me to any degree, I have a very privileged situation ( which i have worked for btw). But I have suffered very little during these past 18 months. But that doesn’t mean I think lockdowns or other government actions have been correct and I’ll oppose anything I think is wrong even if I am unaffected by it, I presume you wouldn’t........................not good.

jfman · 12-06-2021, 23:19

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Originally Posted by Pierre

It’s not about me. Such a selfish attitude to take, not unsurprising. I take it that’s how you view the world? If it doesn’t impact me.....who gives a fu..... not me.

There have been no restrictions that have impacted me to any degree, I have a very privileged situation ( which i have worked for btw). But I have suffered very little during these past 18 months. But that doesn’t mean I think lockdowns or other government actions have been correct and I’ll oppose anything I think is wrong even if I am unaffected by it, I presume you wouldn’t........................not good.

A laughable retort.

So from your privileged position you want to put more people at risk? Classy.

Vaccinating 2 million people a week but Pierre the Privileged thinks the young and partially vaccinated should be put at risk anyway for a couple of per cent on GDP for 4 weeks.

Pierre · 12-06-2021, 23:29

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A laughable retort.

So from your privileged position you want to put more people at risk? Classy.

Only as laughable as your selfish attitude......Classy.

jfman · 12-06-2021, 23:33

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Originally Posted by Pierre

Only as laughable as your selfish attitude......Classy.

Where am I being selfish? I’ve already stated my support for the furlough scheme and supporting businesses throughout restrictions. A consistent position I’ve held throughout.

I’m happy to pay tax for that but I’m guessing Pierre the Privileged isn’t? For 4 weeks.

Pierre · 12-06-2021, 23:44

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Originally Posted by jfman

Where am I being selfish?

I said your selfish attitude.

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Aside international travel is there a single restriction that actually has any meaningful inconvenience to your day to day life?

By asking me, if I am not personally impacted by restrictions, why should I give a monkeys..........shows where you’re coming from in this pandemic.

jfman · 12-06-2021, 23:52

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Originally Posted by Pierre

I said your selfish attitude.

By asking me, if I am not personally impacted by restrictions, why should I give a monkeys..........shows where you’re coming from in this pandemic.

Indeed it does not.

I’ll remind you that the question arose from your statement:

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Can we have our lives back now

Seems odd for someone unaffected by existing restrictions. It would appear the only thing holding you back is yourself. I’m as much of a doom-monger as the next guy but there’s no reason to hide behind the couch. Reclaim your life if there’s no substantive restrictions impacting you but those in your own mind.

However you’re disappointed that June 21st isn’t happening so if that’s really the straw you wish to clutch to I’ll leave you to make peace with it.

Anyone can see my track record from my posts and I’m happy to stand by it. Your ideological opposition has been noted throughout - as you say easing restrictions further won’t make a difference to you in any case.

At least the decision makers give wider consideration to public health than what bores privileged Pierre.

Pierre · 13-06-2021, 00:21

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Indeed it does not.

I’ll remind you that the question arose from your statement:

Seems odd for someone unaffected by existing restrictions. It would appear the only thing holding you back is yourself. I’m as much of a doom-monger as the next guy but there’s no reason to hide behind the couch. Reclaim your life if there’s no substantive restrictions impacting you but those in your own mind.

However you’re disappointed that June 21st isn’t happening so if that’s really the straw you wish to clutch to I’ll leave you to make peace with it.

Anyone can see my track record from my posts and I’m happy to stand by it. Your ideological opposition has been noted throughout - as you say easing restrictions further won’t make a difference to you in any case.

At least the decision makers give wider consideration to public health than what bores privileged Pierre.

A lot of text, none of which mitigates your apparent view. You’ve been ok through lockdown, your support of lockdowns and extending lockdowns is a matter of record on here, and because you’re ok, you question why anyone not impacted by lockdown would oppose it.

Well fortunately, many aren’t as as selfish and self centered as yourself. You appear to care for no others as long you’re comfortable. You try to divert your self centered attitude by latching on to my statement that I was privileged/lucky to be in the position I found myself.

That was a state of circumstance not a state of mind. Your state if mind is evident, as long as you’re ok, you’re happy to let every one else struggle.........not your concern.

jfman · 13-06-2021, 00:23

You had me worried there until you said apparent view at which point it became clear that the whole post was palpably subjective nonsense.

Part of me prefers when you do your Mystic Meg and make Covid predictions. It's no more accurate but infinitely funnier.

Throw away your shackles Pierre. It's really not worth getting hung up on debating me which, as far as I can tell, is the only inconvenience Covid has on your privileged position.

Incidentally....

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...-boris-johnson

Pierre · 13-06-2021, 00:40

If only I was debating somebody that understood English, and knew that the word “apparent” was not a subjective proposition.

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clearly visible or understood; obvious

Everything previously stated by me on the matter stands.

Your failure to provide any credible rebuttal for any of it, also stands.

Bon soir.

jfman · 13-06-2021, 00:46

If only words has a single definition:

seeming real or true, but not necessarily so.

Not like you to view things in this thread far too simplistically. I’ve no real reason to provide a detailed rebuttal to someone consistently wrong. Your record stands for itself and anyone can consider if your position is credible.

Get out and enjoy freedom tomorrow. There’s a brave world out there of minimal restrictions to enjoy. It might improve your perspective on things.

**Paul** · 13-06-2021, 05:07

Get back to the subject.

OLD BOY · 13-06-2021, 12:05

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Originally Posted by jfman

Where am I being selfish? I’ve already stated my support for the furlough scheme and supporting businesses throughout restrictions. A consistent position I’ve held throughout.

I’m happy to pay tax for that but I’m guessing Pierre the Privileged isn’t? For 4 weeks.

What about all the businesses that will go under if these restrictions are maintained?

Anyone would think we didn't have a vaccine that had been offered to all vulnerable groups.