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Old 15-08-2022, 19:22   #751
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The annoying thing is that Starmer has got to this, potential, position completely by default.

He and Labour have offered nothing, absolutely nothing, in regards to coherent policy and governance.

He/they have this lead purely because the Tory party has monumentally disappeared up it’s own arse.

I agree that I don’t see the Tories winning the next election, regardless of who wins the leadership. I also think that the party is in such a state that whoever wins this leadership contest may not necessarily be the leader come the next election.

I’m off to listen to the Charlie Daniels band whist the flames lick the feet of Westminster Palace.
The Conservatives will win simply because they are the best party out of all of them. Added to that, I think people will be pleasantly surprised with Liz Truss's performance.
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Old 15-08-2022, 19:31   #752
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That is so fanciful, Iirc, he said that if inflation is brought down, then the interest payments saved will contribute to the bill.

He knows that's political clap-trap. There are non-energy inflationary pressures (wheat for a start) and how does he think the wholesale price og gas will fall? And how is it all going to be paid for other than taxes down the road?

Yeah, the inflation stuff is a bit of wishful thinking. I think that part of it is essentially being added to the debt.

As for what happens later, who knows? But that's the same either way. This would at least take us to next April which means we're at least out of the winter months. Then a new plan would be needed but to be honest unless something happens to bring wholesale prices down we're looking at years of the Government underwriting energy costs.

The Tories might change it a bit but I can't see this not being what the policy will be. The Government simply can't let these energy bills come in. The projected cap is half of a lot of benefit payments. People will die, or not afford food.
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The Conservatives will win simply because they are the best party out of all of them. Added to that, I think peoplecwill be pleasantly surprised with Liz Truss's performance.
By 2035?
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We are still talking about water here ?
I'm curious what new (or vastly improved) income streams would new reservoirs have bought the water companies ?
Would we now all be using vastly more water (thus paying more) or would we all just be paying more for the same amount of usage ?
Either way, it just seems like we would be paying more.
In the context of a utility such as a water company potential Ďincome streamsí might be increased profit due to reduced wastage or avoidance of regulatory penalties arising from missed targets.
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By 2035?
I doubt that she will last that long, but maybe I’m underestimating her.
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I doubt that she will last that long, but maybe Iím underestimating her.
tbf, you have form on getting the length of serving PMís term of office wrongÖ
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The Conservatives will win simply because they are the best party out of all of them. Added to that, I think people will be pleasantly surprised with Liz Truss's performance.
The Conservatives are burnt out and left with second rate talent. That's due to their being in power for 12 years and purges of Remainers.

We know Truss's form and can't see it improving. She's another Johnson without the charm and humour and her term is projected to see a recession.

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In the context of a utility such as a water company potential ‘income streams’ might be increased profit due to reduced wastage or avoidance of regulatory penalties arising from missed targets.
Or avoidance of penalties and payment for dumping waste into waterways illegally…

https://www.ofwat.gov.uk/pn-12-19-so...investigation/

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/t...wage-discharge

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/o...s-b986921.html
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You would need to be Captain Hindsight to have known that the price of gold would rise.
The price of gold is like the price of bricks, it may fluctuate but ultimately itíll never be cheaper than the day you buy.

So I wholeheartedly disagree.

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Iíll agree, itís pretty simple largely like the proponents of it.
Credit where credit is due, for a bedwetter such as yourself, that was funny.
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The price of gold is like the price of bricks, it may fluctuate but ultimately itíll never be cheaper than the day you buy.
Opportunity cost though. The value of that gold investing in an index fund that tracks the overall stock market would likely increase more than the value of gold.

Gold tends to go up in uncertain times and down when the economy recovers but it's doesn't really increase that much over a longer time period.
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Re: Sir Keirís Kerfuffle

Are you sure ?

https://goldprice.org/spot-gold.html





Its been a pretty good investment since the early 2000's.

Prior to that it was reasonably steady since the start of the 1980's
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The Conservatives will win simply because they are the best party out of all of them. Added to that, I think people will be pleasantly surprised with Liz Truss's performance.
You sound like Gavin Williamson now, I'm not surprised as we're a better country than every single one of them, aren't we?
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