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Old 18-07-2022, 10:13   #1711
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Which "new PM", and what "hints", please?
Here are a few, readily available on the internet.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...otect-27478083

https://www.guardian-series.co.uk/ne...te-become-law/

https://metro.co.uk/2022/07/13/onlin...axed-16996243/
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Old 18-07-2022, 10:52   #1712
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No reason to allow parents to abdicate their responsibilities.I didn't as a parent and teacher.Constantly cutting back on other people's freedoms to express themselves just means that they will find newer and more underhand means to allow their viewpoint out into the world.Better to keep them under observation than hiding away from view.Stop thinking you can nanny the universe.

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I already know all that.I'm a woman on the internet and I'm more than capable of dealing with all that.I DON'T need protecting.
It's not all about you though, is it? Many people, women included, have been upset to the point of suicide. It cannot continue.

The shenanigans in Parliament may mean that this forthcoming legislation is delayed or amended, but I do not think for a moment that things will be allowed to carry on as they are.

Things change, older people lose touch as their experience & ideas become outdated and are replaced by younger people with modern ideas as a solution to modern problems.

At one time we were the leaders of change and older people were irritated by us, now younger people are doing it to us and we often don't like it.

You can be sure that the people driving forward the changes of today will experience the same thing in years to come.
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Old 18-07-2022, 11:02   #1713
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It's not all about you though, is it? Many people, women included, have been upset to the point of suicide. It cannot continue.

The shenanigans in Parliament may mean that this forthcoming legislation is delayed or amended, but I do not think for a moment that things will be allowed to carry on as they are.

Things change, older people lose touch as their experience & ideas become outdated and are replaced by younger people with modern ideas as a solution to modern problems.

At one time we were the leaders of change and older people were irritated by us, now younger people are doing it to us and we often don't like it.

You can be sure that the people driving forward the changes of today will experience the same thing in years to come.
The problem is, Richard, we are lurching from one extreme to the other. You cannot solve every problem with legislation.

If the Bill was trimmed back to dealing with extreme illegal porn on the internet and suchlike, most people would support that.

The Bill as currently drafted goes much too far and curtails free speech. It is veering dangerously close to the ‘cancel culture’ that is developing and insidiously closing down debate in our universities and ruining careers of those in our entertainment industry.

I am surprised you cannot see that.
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Old 18-07-2022, 12:21   #1714
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It's not all about you though, is it? Many people, women included, have been upset to the point of suicide. It cannot continue.

The shenanigans in Parliament may mean that this forthcoming legislation is delayed or amended, but I do not think for a moment that things will be allowed to carry on as they are.

Things change, older people lose touch as their experience & ideas become outdated and are replaced by younger people with modern ideas as a solution to modern problems.

At one time we were the leaders of change and older people were irritated by us, now younger people are doing it to us and we often don't like it.

You can be sure that the people driving forward the changes of today will experience the same thing in years to come.
It's not all about you either.Your viewpoint is no more valid than the next person.
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Old 18-07-2022, 13:02   #1715
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I think an awful lot of people will be upset if this legislation led to the closure of discussion groups altogether because everyone became scared of saying anything. The people behind the legislation may mean well, but the impact of this will be devastating.

I think the message may at last be getting through and I’m picking up hints that it may be ditched or completely reviewed by the new PM.
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Which "new PM", and what "hints", please?
Here are a few, readily available on the internet.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...otect-27478083

https://www.guardian-series.co.uk/ne...te-become-law/

https://metro.co.uk/2022/07/13/onlin...axed-16996243/
Only one of the candidates to be the new PM, not the new PM…

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The bill’s prominent opponents include Kemi Badenoch, one of the Tory leadership candidates to reach the second ballot this week.

Positioning herself as a warrior against ‘woke’ attacks on free speech, she told a hustings on Tuesday: ‘The Online Safety Bill is going to have some serious implications for free speech.

‘I have supported the government in every single bill since becoming an MP. I’m not going to be supporting it this week in its present form.

Most other candidates have yet to express a clear position on the legislation, though Liz Truss’ backers include a number of ministers in the government that has been pushing it ahead, including its current chief architect Nadine Dorries.
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Old 18-07-2022, 16:28   #1716
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It's not all about you either.Your viewpoint is no more valid than the next person.
In the greater scheme of things, neither of our viewpoints matter any more. What happens now will ultimately be decided by those we have elected to make such decisions on our behalf.

You should have made your feelings known at the time they were asked for like everybody else did during the consultation period.

This is an important piece of legislation, yet all you were concerned with was trying to get this discussion about it closed down
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How ironic.

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Old 18-07-2022, 17:47   #1717
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In the greater scheme of things, neither of our viewpoints matter any more. What happens now will ultimately be decided by those we have elected to make such decisions on our behalf.

You should have made your feelings known at the time they were asked for like everybody else did during the consultation period.

This is an important piece of legislation, yet all you were concerned with was trying to get this discussion about it closed down
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How ironic.
Could you point out to me where Maggy has tried to close this discussion down because no matter how often I reread her post do I get that impression.

However I do get the impression, throughout the thread, that you seem to consider your opinions to be more relevant than anyone else who has a different view point.
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The best bit about the delay is how much it has peed off the ghastly dorries creature.
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Could you point out to me where Maggy has tried to close this discussion down because no matter how often I reread her post do I get that impression.

However I do get the impression, throughout the thread, that you seem to consider your opinions to be more relevant than anyone else who has a different view point.
No I just consider his view point invalid.
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No I just consider his view point invalid.
You said earlier that my viewpoint was as equal as anybody else's, which of course is true.

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Could you point out to me where Maggy has tried to close this discussion down because no matter how often I reread her post do I get that impression.

However I do get the impression, throughout the thread, that you seem to consider your opinions to be more relevant than anyone else who has a different view point.
Read earlier in the thread, not just the last few posts..

To make it clear for you, I believe that everyone is entitled to their opinion on this matter.

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The best bit about the delay is how much it has peed off the ghastly dorries creature.
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Could you point out to me where Maggy has tried to close this discussion down because no matter how often I reread her post do I get that impression.

However I do get the impression, throughout the thread, that you seem to consider your opinions to be more relevant than anyone else who has a different view point.
Amazing how so many people have said that very thing many times in the past. Still I’m sure we’re all just imagining it and we’re wrong.
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You said earlier that my viewpoint was as equal as anybody else's, which of course is true.
In responce to your reply above to Maggy's post I have to say that all viewpoints are equal is not the same as claiming those points have to be accepted as all being valid.

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Read earlier in the thread, not just the last few posts.To make it clear for you, I believe that everyone is entitled to their opinion on this matter.
I have read all 1721 posts, and I stand by my point of view concerning a large number of the posts made by you.
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In responce to your reply above to Maggy's post I have to say that all viewpoints are equal is not the same as claiming those points have to be accepted as all being valid.


I have read all 1721 posts, and I stand by my point of view concerning a large number of the posts made by you.
Do you have anything to contribute to the actual debate?
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Do you have anything to contribute to the actual debate?
I voiced my reservations during the official consutation stage.

I do not feel the need to enter into any discussion on the forum or to be the target for people such as yourself who can not accept that other people may have justifiable reservations as to the harm, and subsequent consequences, that this proposed legislation may well have in the futue.
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I voiced my reservations during the official consutation stage.

I do not feel the need to enter into any discussion on the forum or to be the target for people such as yourself who can not accept that other people may have justifiable reservations as to the harm, and subsequent consequences, that this proposed legislation may well have in the futue.
As previously explained, I do not have a problem with anyone who has views that differ from my own. This is a complex piece of legislation and, to an extent, controversial. It is of no surprise that views differ.

If you do not wish to discuss the salient points of the discussion, it does rather appear that you are here to simply try and stir things up for those who do from the sidelines.

I am pleased that you took the opportunity to contribute towards the consultation at the appropriate time.
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