Brexit (Old)

[jfman]

Everybody insists the EU holds all the cards because we can’t actually verify we hold any. £39bn in liabilities between now and 2064 to the largest trading bloc in the world isn’t much of a card at all. Some of which we will have to pay anyway to maintain any credibility.

I doubt we will be surprised what happens. This has second referendum written all over it.

[djfunkdup]

Originally Posted by jfman

This has second referendum written all over it.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by djfunkdup

Don’t worry, you’ll catch up with the pace of everything just in time to cast your vote.

Carth can see it coming, Pierre can see it coming, you will too. It’s a ruse.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by djfunkdup

What does this post mean? Any idiot can post just Smilies, try to say something useful for a change ..

[djfunkdup]

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Originally Posted by ianch99

What does this post mean? Any idiot can post just Smilies, try to say something useful for a change ..

Thats enough of that, back to the topic, before I start dealing out warnings - ALL of you.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

Everybody insists the EU holds all the cards because we can’t actually verify we hold any. £39bn in liabilities between now and 2064 to the largest trading bloc in the world isn’t much of a card at all. Some of which we will have to pay anyway to maintain any credibility.

I doubt we will be surprised what happens. This has second referendum written all over it.

Don’t kid ourselves that us leaving the EU, will be a bowl of cherries to the EU because it won’t.

It may not be as big an impact as it is to us, but it will be an impact. I’m not going to list everything, but you’re an informed person (apart from what you were originally voting for) so you know.

So it is in their interests, as it is in ours , to stay close.

It will be interesting to see, just how much in their interests it actually is.

[djfunkdup]

Originally Posted by jfman

Don’t worry, you’ll catch up with the pace of everything just in time to cast your vote.

Carth can see it coming, Pierre can see it coming, you will too. It’s a ruse.

You must be one the most deluded people on this forum mate honestly lol
The only thing i can see coming is the Brexit Express and as another day passes it still aint been derailed ...

Ho Ho Ho Santa is coming

[ianch99]

Tusk is getting in early to reiterate the EU position:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...b0b950d12fa45f

Tusk says EU will 'not renegotiate the deal'
Donald Tusk, the president of the European council, has just posted this on Twitter. He says the EU will not “renegotiate the deal”.

But it will discuss what it can do “to facilitate UK ratification”, he says. That means, I think, “do what it can do help May win the vote”.

I cannot see May winning a delayed vote with the backstop still in it. The EU might throw TM a few small bones but I can't see the backstop being pulled or significantly watered down.

It would be a major concession if the EU were willing to give the UK an unconditional "out" from the BS so I cannot see this happening. It would require the EU to trust in the good faith of future Governments not to abuse such an option.

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Originally Posted by Paul M

Thats enough of that, back to the topic, before I start dealing out warnings - ALL of you.

Thanks for dealing with this. It has gone on too long ...

[jfman]

Originally Posted by ianch99

What does this post mean? Any idiot can post just Smilies, try to say something useful for a change ..

Now now, that’s beyond their limited capability.

It’s obvious I’m a dunce. I mean I’ve only been predicting things accurately for the entire time I’ve been posting in this thread.

The longer this crisis goes on we have an extension, a referendum and a real possibility of remain. I can understand people are uncomfortable with my predictions, it’s perhaps more worrying that they’re quite good.

[djfunkdup]

Originally Posted by Paul M

Thats enough of that, back to the topic, before I start dealing out warnings - ALL of you.

I said my last post before i saw your post lol It's only banter man chill no offence is meant..

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by jfman

Now now, that’s beyond their limited capability.

It’s obvious I’m a dunce. I mean I’ve only been predicting things accurately for the entire time I’ve been posting in this thread.

The longer this crisis goes on we have an extension, a referendum and a real possibility of remain. I can understand people are uncomfortable with my predictions, it’s perhaps more worrying that they’re quite good.

No dunce, your insights are good.

As you say, we are inching towards a second referendum but this could be thwarted by a number of outcomes especially the machinations of the Arch-Leaver Corbyn. He will need more persuasion from the Remain dominated membership he claims to represent.

The thing that is most hard to read is what the Tories will do when TM's vote eventually gets defeated. That is when the fun really starts ..

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

Pierre can see it coming.

It’s absolutely a possibility and a lot more likely than it was several weeks ago.

It’s the ultimate get out, and the ultimate gamble as a win is by no means certain, although probable. However a Tory whitewash at the last election was probable and that went well.

Originally Posted by Pierre

Don’t kid ourselves that us leaving the EU, will be a bowl of cherries to the EU because it won’t.

It may not be as big an impact as it is to us, but it will be an impact. I’m not going to list everything, but you’re an informed person (apart from what you were originally voting for) so you know.

I still think this is a big error the no deal Brexiters in Parliament are making, to assume that people will stoically get on with no deal.

This is something people will say they'll cope with a lot better than they actually will because imagining it theory is quite different to living the reality. Let's say it's even a quarter as difficult as the crash of 2008 will people be happy that? If inflation from a weaker pound as well as the cost of imports drive prices a lot higher? If wages stagnate and jobs are lost? This is a very mild version of what could happen. If there are literally queues at ports, just in time manufacturing collapses and supply problems for certain imports then it'll quite a lot worse.

If this happens only a minority will go 'this is what we voted for, let's see it though, it will get better', whereas a lot more will blame the politicians. This is why I think it's a lot easier for those who aren't responsible for the country to advocate no deal...

[RichardCoulter]

It's been announced by the BBC that, due to today's events, there will be a change to the BBC1 schedule at 8:30pm. There will be a special programme regarding Brexit.