General Is piracy on the way out and will VM and Sky benefit? - Page 4

pip08456 · 11-12-2018, 18:16

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Yes, I know, pip. It is very clear that they are concentrating on suppliers at the moment. All I am saying is that I doubt that it will stop there.

I mean, when you think of how much money Sky is losing through pirated Premiereship football streams, why wouldn't they go after those who have viewed matches for free if they had a means to do so?

Personally I don't give a sh*t about football but Hey-Ho.

Sky pays millions to fund companies that own football teams to pay millions to a few players for a few years to "entertain" the masses.

Football used to be a sport, it is not now.

I say screw the (insert whatever you wish).

muppetman11 · 11-12-2018, 18:26

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Yes, I know, pip. It is very clear that they are concentrating on suppliers at the moment. All I am saying is that I doubt that it will stop there.

I mean, when you think of how much money Sky is losing through pirated Premiereship football streams, why wouldn't they go after those who have viewed matches for free if they had a means to do so?

Because they obviously feel it's better to try and stop the distribution of it than the people viewing it.

Shut one source down and another pops up it's impossible to fully eradicate it.

pip08456 · 11-12-2018, 19:01

The answer to this is something that will never happen anytime soon.

What the studios are doing is attempting to produce their own streaming service that just will not work.

Think about it. You sign up to a package with VM and get channels you have no interest in but you still pay for.

I'm sorry guys until I can watch when I want to watch on a paid for legal platform I' ll continue to be a pirate with KODI.

**Paul** · 11-12-2018, 22:11

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I mean, when you think of how much money Sky is losing through pirated Premiereship football streams, why wouldn't they go after those who have viewed matches for free if they had a means to do so?

Well thats their own fault.

If they didnt pay stupid amounts of money for the matches in the first place, then they wouldnt "lose" so much.

Its also somewhat nonsense anyway, most of the pirates would simply not watch the matches if they had to pay, so thay have not "lost" anything.

Raider999 · 11-12-2018, 22:15

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Originally Posted by Paul M

Well thats their own fault.

If they didnt pay stupid amounts of money for the matches in the first place, then they wouldnt "lose" so much.

Its also somewhat nonsense anyway, most of the pirates would simply not watch the matches if they had to pay, so thay have not "lost" anything.

Well that's all right then.

If they are caught they can claim they didn't do anything wrong as they weren't depriving sky of any income - absolutely unbelievable

RichardCoulter · 11-12-2018, 23:15

What Paul says is true though. I receive the Sky Cinema channels for virtually nothing, but this isn't costing VM or Sky anything as I wouldnt pay for them anyway.

In fact, as this was done by way of an apology for the way that frontline staff treated me, it could be argued that this concession actually makes them money, as without it, I would probably have closed multiple accounts over time.

If someone steals a bar of chocolate from a shop instead of buying it, the shop has lost the full cost of the product. However, if the person wouldn't/couldn't afford to buy it and stole it, the shop has only lost the cost of the chocolate at trade price.

There's multiple ways of looking at things.

pip08456 · 11-12-2018, 23:38

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

If someone steals a bar of chocolate from a shop instead of buying it, the shop has lost the full cost of the product. However, if the person wouldn't/couldn't afford to buy it and stole it, the shop has only lost the cost of the chocolate at trade price.

There's multiple ways of looking at things.

Silly analogy Richard.

I will not pay for something in 6 months time that I can watch now.

Can I have a bar of chocolate now?

**Hugh** · 11-12-2018, 23:46

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

What Paul says is true though. I receive the Sky Cinema channels for virtually nothing, but this isn't costing VM or Sky anything as I wouldnt pay for them anyway.

In fact, as this was done by way of an apology for the way that frontline staff treated me, it could be argued that this concession actually makes them money, as without it, I would probably have closed multiple accounts over time.

If someone steals a bar of chocolate from a shop instead of buying it, the shop has lost the full cost of the product. However, if the person wouldn't/couldn't afford to buy it and stole it, the shop has only lost the cost of the chocolate at trade price.

There's multiple ways of looking at things.

That’s not how it works...

VM have to pay Sky a fixed amount for every subscriber who they register as watching their channels, whether or not VM have given those channels to the subscriber for nothing/a reduced amount.

So if you have got them for nothing/near to nothing, it has cost VM something.

pip08456 · 12-12-2018, 00:07

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Originally Posted by Hugh

That’s not how it works...

VM have to pay Sky a fixed amount for every subscriber who they register as watching their channels, whether or not VM have given those channels to the subscriber for nothing/a reduced amount.

So if you have got them for nothing/near to nothing, it has cost VM something.

And yet I can watch something for nothing about 6mths before you pay to watch it.

Not only that but I've already seen the Arrow Universe crossover totally free and legal.

**Hugh** · 12-12-2018, 07:14

And if everyone did this, there would be nothing to pirate, as there would be no revenues to fund the making of programmes/films.

pip08456 · 12-12-2018, 09:45

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Originally Posted by Hugh

And if everyone did this, there would be nothing to pirate, as there would be no revenues to fund the making of programmes/films.

I think you missed the legal bit.

http://watch.ustvnow.com/guide

**Hugh** · 12-12-2018, 12:36

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Originally Posted by pip08456

I think you missed the legal bit.

http://watch.ustvnow.com/guide

My apologies - I was replying to that post, and was thinking of your previous post, where you stated

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No one who is actually part of piracy does it to make money. We do it freely and detest those who charge.

RichardCoulter · 15-12-2018, 20:18

Would it be safer if people went onto the dark web to pirate things? I think you need a VPN anyway for the dark web, so that would help with anonymity too.

pip08456 · 15-12-2018, 20:35

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Would it be safer if people went onto the dark web to pirate things? I think you need a VPN anyway for the dark web, so that would help with anonymity too.

You don't need the dark web but a VPN is a must.

Horizon · 16-12-2018, 17:36

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Originally Posted by pip08456

Silly analogy Richard.

I will not pay for something in 6 months time that I can watch now.

Exactly.

My sympathy, if you can call it that, for Big Media/Hollywood evaporated when they brought out DVD regions. That and all the constant special, special editions of Star Wars etc. Talk about paying for something twice, three, four times over...

The biggest gift to the world was Microsoft leaking leaking the video compression tech onto the internet, that and the arrival of broadband in around 2004ish.

As has already been said, until you can go onto a legal site and get everything immediately, then piracy will still flourish.