Paris in Lockdown due to Protests - Page 2

jonbxx · 11-12-2018, 09:10

There has been a long tradition of protesting in the streets in France. See the revolutions of 1789, 1830 and 1848. The right to do this was even in the French Constitution once!

Pierre · 11-12-2018, 19:56

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

France isn't socialist, not sure where you've got that idea from.

Ha! I just spat my beer out all over the dog, because of you.

Here.

This will help explain it for you.

https://www.seeker.com/how-socialism...904729547.html

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While France's socialist policies are generally popular and effective, they're also expensive.

That’s all you need to know.

**Hugh** · 11-12-2018, 21:09

That’s a US medical reporter’s views, and remember, the American definition of ‘socialist’ is vastly different from the rest of the world.

A reasonable percentage of the US thought Obama was a socialist...

1andrew1 · 11-12-2018, 22:08

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Originally Posted by Hugh

That’s a US medical reporter’s views, and remember, the American definition of ‘socialist’ is vastly different from the rest of the world.

A reasonable percentage of the US thought Obama was a socialist...

That's all that Pierre needs to know. It's a shame he didn't know it earlier as it sounds like he paid for his misunderstanding by sacrificing a mouthful of beer.

Pierre · 11-12-2018, 22:10

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Originally Posted by Hugh

That’s a US medical reporter’s views, and remember, the American definition of ‘socialist’ is vastly different from the rest of the world.

A reasonable percentage of the US thought Obama was a socialist...

You can find several papers/articles on French socialist policies,

This one

https://foreignpolicy.com/2016/09/09...uropean-union/

Is also a good read in regards to to Brexit..........

**Hugh** · 11-12-2018, 23:52

Anything from someone who is not an American Republican?

1andrew1 · 12-12-2018, 00:10

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Anything from someone who is not an American Republican?

Or failing that, anyone who's not writing for a non-American audience. For as Hugh explained, they possess a different definition of socialist to us, thereby making your references to such material irrelevant.

denphone · 12-12-2018, 04:39

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Or failing that, anyone who's not writing for a non-American audience. For as Hugh explained, they possess a different definition of socialist to us, thereby making your references to such material irrelevant.

There are different shades of socialists as there are different shades of capitalists but the trouble is Andrew some generalise too much because it does not fit their thinking.

**Damien** · 12-12-2018, 08:48

France isn't a socialist country but then no country currently is really. If there are it might be one of those South American ones like Cuba or Venezuela but I am not familiar enough with them to know.

If you accept that pretty much every country is a mixed economy with varying degrees of public and private ownership then France is more socialist than many but even then they have a lot of private enterprise, France is hardly a small economy, and they have private involvement in their public sector. Their healthcare system has more a mix of private/public/charity sectors than the NHS. They have private ambulances. You don't have healthcare 'free at the point of use' with a complicated system of public and private insurance which reimburses you for some things like GP visits for which you pay.

As Hugh said the Americans think everyone and everything in Europe is socialist. By any European meaning of the word then France is a socially democratic, but not socialist, country.

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I don't think it really matters to Pierre's broader point about people wanting things without paying for them though. It's just not something that uniquely applies to socialist countries.

Stuart · 12-12-2018, 09:41

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Or failing that, anyone who's not writing for a non-American audience. For as Hugh explained, they possess a different definition of socialist to us, thereby making your references to such material irrelevant.

Indeed, even their so-called left wing party, the Democrats is considerably to the right of a lot of our right-wing parties..

papa smurf · 12-12-2018, 10:24

MACRON SHOCK: French president faces NO CONFIDENCE vote TOMORROW - France in chaos

Bloomberg reporter, Nikos Chrysoloras, tweeted: "O.K, this is an epidemic now: France’s government will face a no confidence vote in parliament on Thursday, AFP reports."

He said Mr Macron was planning to speak to Prime Minister Theresa May, who also faces a no confidence vote tonight, on the phone

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world...-vest-protests

Wonder if he's taking may on holiday until the anger blows over.

denphone · 12-12-2018, 10:27

The contagion is obviously spreading papa..

**Mick** · 12-12-2018, 11:04

Macron was worse choice ever for French President.

**Damien** · 12-12-2018, 11:11

Macron’s party has a big majority in Parliament and it’s the left wing parties tabling this so it’s just a bit of PR for them.

denphone · 12-12-2018, 11:18

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Macron was worse choice ever for French President.

In a choice of two of which it was in a run off between Emmanuel Macron and Marine Le Pen there was only one choice for many..