UK & EU Agree Post-Brexit Trade Deal

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Damien

It does feel like No Deal now. If this were about dramatics and last moment deal-making then you think it would be leading to 'crunch talks' between the leaders in Europe with a last-minute agreement being reached 2 am Monday morning.

Instead, it just feels like it's petering out. It's been kicked up to the negotiating teams with an extended deadline and no momentum. As if they all know it's over but just can't bring themselves to dramatically say it, maybe hoping the other side declares it over first.

Agreed.

Come what may, I believe talks will be ongoing as there will just be a succession of smaller deals to agree over the forthcoming days, weeks and years.

The UK government now needs to move swiftly to ensure the retention of its car plants or it will be facing some unsavoury headlines.

[Sephiroth]

A reduction in Corporation Tax and Business Rates would be a good start.

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by Chris

Northern Ireland is a millstone that in the long run is destined to drift into the Republic. Demographics will see to it even if European politics doesn’t. And British sovereignty there was compromised years ago as a necessary condition of the peace process. There was no functioning executive in Stormont from 2017 to 2019 yet the place was run by the Northern Ireland Civil Service (which is independent of the British home civil service that, internally, treats its Scottish and Welsh operations as departments just like all the others). The British Government could have restored direct rule but it was considered too politically difficult to do. The British Government chose not to exert its authority in part of its own sovereign territory. That really ought to set the present situation in some sort of context.

I think there will be a swell of opinion towards unification in the North but there are some tasty characters in the North who would not be happy. I guess it would depend if the Republic want to take on the UVF and their friends. That would be the core argument in any Republic of Ireland 'No' campaign in their referendum on the subject.

Of course, hiving off part of the UK would not be the best look for the Conservative and Unionist Party

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Liam Fox, 2017


Financial Times, 9th December 2020

https://www.ft.com/content/fb655185-...f-fbe97176c891

I don't see the point you're making, He was right. It "should" have been easy. Unfortunately we didn't foresee that they would want control over another nations sovereign waters and that they would want control over another nations laws?

What reasonable country would foresee such crazy things?

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Originally Posted by jonbxx

I think there will be a swell of opinion towards unification in the North but there are some tasty characters in the North who would not be happy. I guess it would depend if the Republic want to take on the UVF and their friends. That would be the core argument in any Republic of Ireland 'No' campaign in their referendum on the subject.

Of course, hiving off part of the UK would not be the best look for the Conservative and Unionist Party

For fear of drifting off topic, we could always make N.I. a condominium territory between G.B & R.o.I

[pip08456]

Press release from the EU.

Originally Posted by Pierre

I don't see the point you're making, He was right. It "should" have been easy. Unfortunately we didn't foresee that they would want control over another nations sovereign waters and that they would want control over another nations laws?

We can go back to pre-referendum and it was a constant refrain from Remainers on how hard a deal would be. I don't have much sympathy for the Government if they fail to deliver on their promises and rhetoric. They're the ones who were elected to manage Brexit and any consequences that emerge from No Deal is on them.

Remember that the two reasons Brexiters said we would easily get a deal are because 'they need us more than we need them' and that German car companies would push Germany into a deal.

Whilst No Deal is very bad for the EU it's not so bad that they're not willing to go through with it clearly. Either this is what the Government intended or this misunderstood the cards they had at the table.

I still hope they back down a little on regulation but if they don't then No Deal here we come.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Agreed.

Come what may, I believe talks will be ongoing as there will just be a succession of smaller deals to agree over the forthcoming days, weeks and years.

The UK government now needs to move swiftly to ensure the retention of its car plants or it will be facing some unsavoury headlines.

Forget cars, its agriculture that will be decimated under no deal.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Damien

We can go back to pre-referendum and it was a constant refrain from Remainers on how hard a deal would be. I don't have much sympathy for the Government if they fail to deliver on their promises and rhetoric. They're the ones who were elected to manage Brexit and any consequences that emerge from No Deal is on them.

Remember that the two reasons Brexiters said we would easily get a deal are because 'they need us more than we need them' and that German car companies would push Germany into a deal.

Whilst No Deal is very bad for the EU it's not so bad that they're not willing to go through with it clearly. Either this is what the Government intended or this misunderstood the cards they had at the table.

I still hope they back down a little on regulation but if they don't then No Deal here we come.

Misunderstood the cards, they told us we held all the cards and if we have any sense at all we will never let them forget what they've said

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Misunderstood the cards, they told us we held all the cards and if we have any sense at all we will never let them forget what they've said

If we didn't have want they desperately want, then surely the EU would have agreed to whatever, a long time ago.
The Remain side insisted the EU were a nice bunch of people and would be reasonable and not try to bully us. How did that turn out?

Originally Posted by nomadking

If we didn't have want they desperately want, then surely the EU would have agreed to whatever, a long time ago.
The Remain side insisted the EU were a nice bunch of people and would be reasonable and not try to bully us. How did that turn out?

Who said that? Remain were quite clear a deal would be hard.

I know one of the reasons I was against it is we were going from be an EU Member to an EU competitor and now we have a massive economic bloc right next to us as a rival. I was under no illusion as to how the EU would behave.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by nomadking

If we didn't have want they desperately want, then surely the EU would have agreed to whatever, a long time ago.
The Remain side insisted the EU were a nice bunch of people and would be reasonable and not try to bully us. How did that turn out?

Don't worry old chap. Boris has an 'oven ready deal', he doesn't lie

[Carth]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Forget cars, its agriculture that will be decimated under no deal.

How do you work that out?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Damien

Who said that? Remain were quite clear a deal would be hard.

I know one of the reasons I was against it is we were going from be an EU Member to an EU competitor and now we have a massive economic bloc right next to us as a rival. I was under no illusion as to how the EU would behave.

Agreed. It was Leave who said it was going to be easy. For example:

Boris Johnson: "There is no plan for no deal because we are going to get a great deal"

Gerard Batten, UKIP "A trade deal with the EU could be sorted out in an afternoon over a cup of coffee"

David Davis: "You can be sure there will be a deal"

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Originally Posted by Mr K

Don't worry old chap. Boris has an 'oven ready deal', he doesn't lie

But where is the oven?

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Originally Posted by Carth

How do you work that out?

The National Farmers Union have said so
Why a no-deal Brexit is catastrophic for British farming

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Damien

Who said that? Remain were quite clear a deal would be hard.

I know one of the reasons I was against it is we were going from be an EU Member to an EU competitor and now we have a massive economic bloc right next to us as a rival. I was under no illusion as to how the EU would behave.

That was in the event of leaving.
They wanted us to remain with the EU, because they are such a nice bunch of people, would never try to harm our country, would never try to control us, and are perfectly reasonable about things.

Could be argued that the Remain camp saying things would be hard because the EU would be maliciously difficult, is a very good reason for leaving in the first place.
You leave abusive and controlling partners, not stay with them.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

The National Farmers Union have said so
Why a no-deal Brexit is catastrophic for British farming

Nothing to do with losing EU subsidies allowing them to sit on their arse then