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Old 12-03-2006, 04:22   #31
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Re: NTL Speeds and Throttling

Ah, more conspiracies, some people just love them. You seem to spend so much time doing tests and worrying about traffic shaping, routing, peering, ubr's etc, I often wonder if you ever have time to actually browse the net and yet still you are with ntl - I think it's all a conspiracy and that you are really an agent of a secret group of ADSL providers, sworn to cause ripples in the very fabric of space/time (and ntl's network).
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Old 12-03-2006, 07:53   #32
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Re: NTL Speeds and Throttling

its me using the net or failing to that causes this. I didnt think to myself one day right I am going to start running tests its as a result of things simply not working as they should and I am not the only one paul with concerns. It is easy to criticise others when your service runs fine.

I should have moved house by now and I would have possibly left ntl but I haven't and I am stuck with them for the time been so I will push for a proper service.

The test I did for bill more then me since he downgraded he couldnt run it, my main concern is my ubr and getting that sorted out before worrying about shaping.
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Old 12-03-2006, 08:16   #33
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Re: NTL Speeds and Throttling

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Ah, more conspiracies, some people just love them. You seem to spend so much time doing tests and worrying about traffic shaping, routing, peering, ubr's etc, I often wonder if you ever have time to actually browse the net and yet still you are with ntl - I think it's all a conspiracy and that you are really an agent of a secret group of ADSL providers, sworn to cause ripples in the very fabric of space/time (and ntl's network).
So is this a conspiracy and further more should i walk away with my tail between my legs and do nothing about it.


Sun, 12 Mar 2006 07:15:53 GMT
1st 128K took 797 ms = 164457 Bytes/sec = approx 1368 kbits/sec
2nd 128K took 812 ms = 161419 Bytes/sec = approx 1343 kbits/sec
3rd 128K took 1891 ms = 69314 Bytes/sec = approx 577 kbits/sec
4th 128K took 1703 ms = 76965 Bytes/sec = approx 640 kbits/sec

That is supposed to be 2 meg now look at the time on a Sunday morning.
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Re: NTL Speeds and Throttling

bill damn thats bad, when I downgraded to 2meg it was poor but not at 7am

Sun, 12 Mar 2006 07:43:30 GMT

1st 512K took 891 ms = 574.6 KB/sec, approx 4735 Kbps, 4.62 Mbps
2nd 512K took 531 ms = 964.2 KB/sec, approx 7945 Kbps, 7.76 Mbps
3rd 512K took 406 ms = 1261.1 KB/sec, approx 10391 Kbps, 10.15 Mbps
4th 512K took 484 ms = 1057.9 KB/sec, approx 8717 Kbps, 8.51 Mbps

Overall Average Speed = approx 7947 Kbps, 7.76 Mbps

here at 7am my ubr can almost push 8mbit O_o
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Re: NTL Speeds and Throttling

Mine just a few mins ago

Sun, 12 Mar 2006 08:03:39 UTC

1st 512K took 437 ms = 1171.6 KB/sec, approx 9654 Kbps, 9.43 Mbps
2nd 512K took 438 ms = 1169 KB/sec, approx 9633 Kbps, 9.41 Mbps
3rd 512K took 453 ms = 1130.2 KB/sec, approx 9313 Kbps, 9.09 Mbps
4th 512K took 422 ms = 1213.3 KB/sec, approx 9998 Kbps, 9.76 Mbps

Overall Average Speed = approx 9650 Kbps, 9.42 Mbps


It is obviously local to you Bill, apart from the probs on Tuesday my results very rarely differ from this.

Just checked on ADSLguide:

Downstream 8752 Kbps (1,094.0 KB/sec) 9452 Kbps (inc. overheads)
Upstream 491 Kbps (61.4 KB/sec) 530 Kbps (inc. overheads)

exactly the same result.
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Old 12-03-2006, 10:18   #36
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Mine just a few mins ago

Sun, 12 Mar 2006 08:03:39 UTC

1st 512K took 437 ms = 1171.6 KB/sec, approx 9654 Kbps, 9.43 Mbps
2nd 512K took 438 ms = 1169 KB/sec, approx 9633 Kbps, 9.41 Mbps
3rd 512K took 453 ms = 1130.2 KB/sec, approx 9313 Kbps, 9.09 Mbps
4th 512K took 422 ms = 1213.3 KB/sec, approx 9998 Kbps, 9.76 Mbps

Overall Average Speed = approx 9650 Kbps, 9.42 Mbps


It is obviously local to you Bill, apart from the probs on Tuesday my results very rarely differ from this.

Will have to get on the phone tomorrow me thinks.

Sun, 12 Mar 2006 08:54:00 GMT
1st 128K took 968 ms = 135405 Bytes/sec = approx 1127 kbits/sec
2nd 128K took 1250 ms = 104858 Bytes/sec = approx 872 kbits/sec
3rd 128K took 1250 ms = 104858 Bytes/sec = approx 872 kbits/sec
4th 128K took 860 ms = 152409 Bytes/sec = approx 1268 kbits/sec

Just checked on ADSLguide:

Downstream 8752 Kbps (1,094.0 KB/sec) 9452 Kbps (inc. overheads)
Upstream 491 Kbps (61.4 KB/sec) 530 Kbps (inc. overheads)

exactly the same result.


Sun, 12 Mar 2006 08:54:00 GMT
1st 128K took 968 ms = 135405 Bytes/sec = approx 1127 kbits/sec
2nd 128K took 1250 ms = 104858 Bytes/sec = approx 872 kbits/sec
3rd 128K took 1250 ms = 104858 Bytes/sec = approx 872 kbits/sec
4th 128K took 860 ms = 152409 Bytes/sec = approx 1268 kbits/sec

Oh well will have to let the Network guys know tomorrow its got worse.

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here at 7am my ubr can almost push 8mbit O_o
Now that i would except if it was at any time of the day.

I know they say upto but less than 1 meg on a Sunday morning on what is a 2 meg connection sucks. This has got to be a contention issue, There is no way shaping would do this.
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Re: NTL Speeds and Throttling

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Ah, more conspiracies, some people just love them. You seem to spend so much time doing tests and worrying about traffic shaping, routing, peering, ubr's etc, I often wonder if you ever have time to actually browse the net and yet still you are with ntl - I think it's all a conspiracy and that you are really an agent of a secret group of ADSL providers, sworn to cause ripples in the very fabric of space/time (and ntl's network).
Well i am "with" [if you ever really want to be associated with an incompetent badly structured firm in any sense] until the cancellation takes place in april.
Browsing is not great, and i think theres enough rips and tears in ntl's fabric to keep them busy for a while to come. I now have engineers ringing me to see if they can come out to do anything. Shame they didnt ring within the 48hrs they said, not 4 days later. Apart from that i dont think there's anything they could do from here.
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Re: NTL Speeds and Throttling

Sun, 12 Mar 2006 10:36:26 UTC
1st 128K took 1078 ms = 121588 Bytes/sec = approx 1012 kbits/sec
2nd 128K took 1062 ms = 123420 Bytes/sec = approx 1027 kbits/sec
3rd 128K took 1063 ms = 123304 Bytes/sec = approx 1026 kbits/sec
4th 128K took 1062 ms = 123420 Bytes/sec = approx 1027 kbits/sec

I'm on 1meg and whenever I do a speed test get roughly 1meg as the result so if they're traffic shapping it must be selective arears or you're confusing over loaded ubrs etc with shaping?
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Old 12-03-2006, 11:57   #39
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Sun, 12 Mar 2006 10:36:26 UTC
1st 128K took 1078 ms = 121588 Bytes/sec = approx 1012 kbits/sec
2nd 128K took 1062 ms = 123420 Bytes/sec = approx 1027 kbits/sec
3rd 128K took 1063 ms = 123304 Bytes/sec = approx 1026 kbits/sec
4th 128K took 1062 ms = 123420 Bytes/sec = approx 1027 kbits/sec

I'm on 1meg and whenever I do a speed test get roughly 1meg as the result so if they're traffic shapping it must be selective arears or you're confusing over loaded ubrs etc with shaping?
Yep thats what i said in my last post above

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I know they say upto but less than 1 meg on a Sunday morning on what is a 2 meg connection sucks. This has got to be a contention issue, There is no way shaping would do this.
I will be making some phone calls tomorrow

However its better at the moment

Sun, 12 Mar 2006 10:58:02 GMT

1st 512K took 2250 ms = 227.6 KB/sec, approx 1875 Kbps, 1.83 Mbps
2nd 512K took 2296 ms = 223 KB/sec, approx 1838 Kbps, 1.79 Mbps
3rd 512K took 2219 ms = 230.7 KB/sec, approx 1901 Kbps, 1.86 Mbps
4th 512K took 2438 ms = 210 KB/sec, approx 1730 Kbps, 1.69 Mbps

Overall Average Speed = approx 1836 Kbps, 1.79 Mbps



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Re: NTL Speeds and Throttling

1MBPS is not so hot:

Sun, 12 Mar 2006 11:46:57 GMT

1st 512K took 12680 ms = 40.4 KB/sec, approx 333 Kbps, 0.33 Mbps
2nd 512K took 11920 ms = 43 KB/sec, approx 354 Kbps, 0.35 Mbps
3rd 512K took 9120 ms = 56.1 KB/sec, approx 462 Kbps, 0.45 Mbps
4th 512K took 8900 ms = 57.5 KB/sec, approx 474 Kbps, 0.46 Mbps

Overall Average Speed = approx 406 Kbps, 0.4 Mbps
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1MBPS is not so hot:

Sun, 12 Mar 2006 11:46:57 GMT

1st 512K took 12680 ms = 40.4 KB/sec, approx 333 Kbps, 0.33 Mbps
2nd 512K took 11920 ms = 43 KB/sec, approx 354 Kbps, 0.35 Mbps
3rd 512K took 9120 ms = 56.1 KB/sec, approx 462 Kbps, 0.45 Mbps
4th 512K took 8900 ms = 57.5 KB/sec, approx 474 Kbps, 0.46 Mbps

Overall Average Speed = approx 406 Kbps, 0.4 Mbps
I am off the same UBR as you

Sun, 12 Mar 2006 12:13:06 GMT
1st 128K took 1156 ms = 113384 Bytes/sec = approx 943 kbits/sec
2nd 128K took 703 ms = 186447 Bytes/sec = approx 1551 kbits/sec
3rd 128K took 625 ms = 209715 Bytes/sec = approx 1745 kbits/sec
4th 128K took 2141 ms = 61220 Bytes/sec = approx 509 kbits/sec
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Re: NTL Speeds and Throttling

looks like it's your UBR then mate as you're both on the same one and getting crap speeds. when you say you're making calls tomorrow - good luck with the Indian call centre! best get those calls in now before it's 10p a min to tell them your connection is nowhere near what you're paying for!

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1MBPS is not so hot:

Sun, 12 Mar 2006 11:46:57 GMT

1st 512K took 12680 ms = 40.4 KB/sec, approx 333 Kbps, 0.33 Mbps
2nd 512K took 11920 ms = 43 KB/sec, approx 354 Kbps, 0.35 Mbps
3rd 512K took 9120 ms = 56.1 KB/sec, approx 462 Kbps, 0.45 Mbps
4th 512K took 8900 ms = 57.5 KB/sec, approx 474 Kbps, 0.46 Mbps

Overall Average Speed = approx 406 Kbps, 0.4 Mbps
that in my opinion is a **** take performance wise.
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looks like it's your UBR then mate as you're both on the same one and getting crap speeds. when you say you're making calls tomorrow - good luck with the Indian call centre! best get those calls in now before it's 10p a min to tell them your connection is nowhere near what you're paying for!

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1MBPS is not so hot:

Sun, 12 Mar 2006 11:46:57 GMT

1st 512K took 12680 ms = 40.4 KB/sec, approx 333 Kbps, 0.33 Mbps
2nd 512K took 11920 ms = 43 KB/sec, approx 354 Kbps, 0.35 Mbps
3rd 512K took 9120 ms = 56.1 KB/sec, approx 462 Kbps, 0.45 Mbps
4th 512K took 8900 ms = 57.5 KB/sec, approx 474 Kbps, 0.46 Mbps

Overall Average Speed = approx 406 Kbps, 0.4 Mbps
that in my opinion is a **** take performance wise.


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Re: NTL Speeds and Throttling

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looks like it's your UBR then mate as you're both on the same one and getting crap speeds. when you say you're making calls tomorrow - good luck with the Indian call centre! best get those calls in now before it's 10p a min to tell them your connection is nowhere near what you're paying for!

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that in my opinion is a **** take performance wise.

A couple of hours on the phone at least then, make sure you can still see the tv, and have coffee and sandwiches ready. Even if you get one of the better guys, you know the drill, get ready to remove any web protection you have, and then be ready to doubt the builder of your pc, along with your ability to switch it on and use it.
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Re: NTL Speeds and Throttling

On 512 KBPS ADSL from Eclipse/BT at 'work':

Sun, 12 Mar 2006 15:38:14 UTC

1st 512K took 9280 ms = 55.2 KB/sec, approx 455 Kbps, 0.44 Mbps
2nd 512K took 7300 ms = 70.1 KB/sec, approx 578 Kbps, 0.56 Mbps
3rd 512K took 8460 ms = 60.5 KB/sec, approx 499 Kbps, 0.49 Mbps
4th 512K took 6480 ms = 79 KB/sec, approx 651 Kbps, 0.64 Mbps

Overall Average Speed = approx 546 Kbps, 0.53 Mbps

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