*ALL* ntl Cap Discussion Here Please. (Part 2)

[nemesis01]

Originally Posted by Raistlin

Okaaaaay, I get that.

But what is it that you're downloading?

i agree it would be pretty hard to grab that much legal stuff in one month, unless you were really petty and spent 3 weeks on downloads.com or something just to prove a point, nobody will tell you what they are downloading, they may tell you what they use to download but not what they get. i leave that to your inmagination...

[Ramrod]

To put this into perspective-- my in-laws are paying £19.99/month for a BT 2meg line which allows them 1gb/month download!

[Raistlin]

Originally Posted by nemesis01

i agree it would be pretty hard to grab that much legal stuff in one month<Snip>nobody will tell you what they are downloading, they may tell you what they use to download but not what they get. i leave that to your inmagination...

<Snipped, bold added for emphasis>

Ok, so let's assume for the sake of argument that one possible interpretation of your post (as interpreted by my imagination) is that these people who are caning their connections are mainly downloading illegal material.

These people are also the people most likely to be inconvenienced by any hard caps, they're also the people most likely to receive a warning letter from NTL, and they are also the people most likely to have their service cut off if they refuse to comply.

So, we have a minority group of users, using their connections for illegal puposes, intentionally flaunting and disregarding the Terms and Conditions of the contract they signed up to, and not giving a t*ss about anybody else in the area who's usage may be affected by their caning of their connections - and, for the most part, it's these people who are then going to complain that NTL are treating them unfairly by capping their connections.

Can you see the irony there?

[DrK]

Porn how dare u Sir! to insinuate such a thing, i can see your no gentleman you must be a commoner from the country side.

as i was saying before about the cloning of MAC etc by certain real heavy users NTL will always have trouble in certain areas, these guys are out to make money they arent going to spend more on a unlimited service or a higher Cap limit, because they can already get round it.
Imagine Mr BIG has a NTL connection
he most likey got a hacked/cracked ntl tv box too and sell thems aswell etc, Card sharks as i call them. he also has maybe a bare minimum 1mb line which he uses like a angel from heaven,then hes got the 2/3/4/+ modem sat in some cupboard all running of his orginal 1MB line which hes cloned the macs from every Gold package user he can find in the area, most will never know
Imagine if you will 3/4/5/6/ 3mb modems running 24/7 (he also most likey messed with his green box down the street,ive heard romours of from people who know)


in theory 3mb line you can download around 400GB every month. now imagine that you have multiuple modems...........

[ian@huth]

Originally Posted by DrK

first post, just like to say i beat the 193gb, and im sure i have every month since the 3mb speed was introduced.

Just shows why NTL need to cap.

Originally Posted by DrK

havent got no letter yet,

So you have got a letter then.

Originally Posted by DrK

what ntl should be more worried about is all these running entire bussiness of NTLs back, who have 2/3 cloned mac addresses and download TB a month.

I think it is the ones who may try doing that who should be worried, very worried. Don't you think that NTL can spot that sort of usage very quickly and exactly where the culprit is residing?

[Raistlin]

Originally Posted by DrK

Porn how dare u Sir! to insinuate such a thing, i can see your no gentleman you must be a commoner from the country side.

C'mon, you know you love it

Originally Posted by DrK

<Snip the fantastical tales of Mr Big>

So, I'm assuming that Mr Big is downloading Movies, Games, pirated software for sale somewhere then?

Surely though.....if he's spreading the load over 4 SACMs he's only downloading 100Gb/month through each modem and so (if the caps are increased to somewhere near that level) NTL are unlikely to bat an eyelid.

I'm going to be generous and assume that none of the people posting here are Mr Big and point out that the scenario doesn't work for the people posting above who claim large download figures - unless, of course, you're suggesting that they're selling pirated material

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by theNomad

Simon M walk down to your high st and ask a NTL sales person if its capped or not and come back and say you was told they just told me it wasnt.Would make a nice watchdog feature that lying to the public untill they get your money and sign up fee's in.

I did just that today asked the NTL sales rep if it was a capped service and he told me point blank that it was not capped and NTL have no plans to cap. Not that the capping bothers me i am one of the unfortunate ones who have suffered a degrarded service due to the users that have to download the entire contents of the net 24/7 and if the capping helps me sustain what i pay for then i am all for it....

[DrK]

I doubt hes spreading the load, one has to remember that the limit of ur line/connection is only in ur modem, a line of code if u will.

as far as im aware Mr BiG has 4+ modems running at 3mb 24-7 with no consideration for anyone but his pocket i cant see how he would be limited to 100gig a month if u follow, in theory he would be capable of downloading 400GB x his number of modems ..even after the caps, alot of people suddenly going use there cap fast, because mr Big stole it all)

in regards to NTL catching Mac cloners, yeah they do when they get lucky or when someone informs them.

and no i havent had a letter yet. i say yet as ive been suprised so far.

but i put that down to the fact im the only person on ntl in my entire neighbourhood.
sky and cable tv was considered common when it first arrived, everyone refused let them even dig the roads/gardens.
all old folks anyway im the only person under 25 in about 2miles radius .

[Raistlin]

Just in case anybody's getting withdrawal symptoms

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by Raistlin

Just in case anybody's getting withdrawal symptoms

[theNomad]

yer nice one

Caps have been around for years with NTL,
Everyone knew what they were getting when they signed up,

Ive said it earlier and doofys kindly backed it up theyre still selling ntl packages via high street stands and door to door without telling people about the caps,so why say everyone knows full well about the caps when their own sales people dont seem to know about 'em and if the rolling contract thing is true its 1st ive known about it and surely the people who have been duped into buying their conections from these rogue salesmen should have a good 12 months unlimited left untill their 12 months is up,If its true also that we are agreeing to terms and conditions every 12 months rolling by,just cause we pay our bills I will be rolling my £90 per month arse onto other tv-phone & net deals.

I agree with ya Raistlin no ones foolish enough to pretend that massive d/ling is easy to do with 100% leagle content but ISP's know this too,Who in their right mind would offer a 3-10mb connection to residential areas and pretend that its cause people want web pages to load faster.Also I dont think its what people use their connections for thats really the issue its the fact its changed from what everyone was happy with and actually signed too (bar those rolling contract things) and what sales people are telling you uncappped, into this kinda set up of wishing they was on another ISP,if there is 20,000 who are waiting to get on bulldog then I wonder how many there is waiting to leave ntl my bet is a fair percent of those and many many more.

And how risky would signing up for one of those new unlimited deals be,whos to say the dreaded rolling contract wont bring in a cap on that too.NTL should really stand for Nobody Trusts Liars.

[Doofy]

In my area the NTL doorknockers do know about the caps but they conveniently forget to tell the customers about the caps as i have said the caps dont bother me but i do think it's a bit off that the NTL canvassers are lying to prospective customers about it. Mind you 99% of the sales staff who come door knocking in this area are bent as a 3 quid note anyway so thats to be expected

[ian@huth]

I would imagine that the NTL salesperson would ask you to sign a contract if you agreed to take NTL services. If you read the contract before signing it, as you should, you would be aware of what restrictions are applicable.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by ian@huth

I would imagine that the NTL salesperson would ask you to sign a contract if you agreed to take NTL services. If you read the contract before signing it, as you should, you would be aware of what restrictions are applicable.

Agreed you should read the contract but a lot of people simply don't they simply rely on the sales person to be upfront and honest which simply isnt the case
well not around here it isnt, i can't speak for other areas but around here NTL canvassers are well known for there less than ethical practices..

[ian@huth]

Originally Posted by Doofy

Agreed you should read the contract but a lot of people simply don't they simply rely on the sales person to be upfront and honest which simply isnt the case
well not around here it isnt, i can't speak for other areas but around here NTL canvassers are well known for there less than ethical practices..

I think that most people are aware that salespeople tend to be economical with the truth which should be a warning to check before you sign. It is not confined to just NTL though and more than likely NTL know nothing about what some of their salespeople are saying. Many salespeople don't fully know all the ins and outs of the product they are selling and will tell the customer what they think the customer wants to hear, particularly if they are working on a commission basis.

[theNomad]

Yeah its in the small print (wasnt when i 1sy got cable & wireless it was unlimited) but if youve someone telling you to your face or over the phone yeah our survice is uncapped surely its illeagle to come around months later with letters saying youve broken our cap rule,its more risky than making a deal with satan signing up with ntl.Or some loan shark who told you you'd only pay back what you borrowed.

I dont for one minute think people here are stupid enough to think this but I worked in my local library's net section for a while,and so many people dont have a clue about being online or what net terms mean.So I find this policy of not actually telling people what theyre signing up for shocking.I was lied too by a salesman when I chose cable & wireless over satalite tv as my brother had satalite and I asked if it had sky sports interactive he told me it was coming in a few months.something we still havent got proper like sky digital damn I woulda loved fanzone too.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by ian@huth

I think that most people are aware that salespeople tend to be economical with the truth which should be a warning to check before you sign. It is not confined to just NTL though and more than likely NTL know nothing about what some of their salespeople are saying. Many salespeople don't fully know all the ins and outs of the product they are selling and will tell the customer what they think the customer wants to hear, particularly if they are working on a commission basis.

Agreed i can guarantee NTL know nothing of there salesmans tactics around here anything goes for them, and you are quite correct being on a commision does make them bend the rules a little. But this is where the problem starts there are rule bendings and then there is down right lying to customers, it isnt that difficult to get reconnected around here if you have been disconnected sales people inventing names etc etc etc is common around here. as are cloned modems and chipped boxes, but thats another story

[IanUK]

So, what is it you're downloading? If it's all legitimate stuff then where the hell are you getting it and what are you using it for? Where's the need?

Personally I approach about 30-40 gig a month, most of mine comes from Fileplanet/Gamespot/Fileshack etc, I'm a sucker for HDTV games trailers & new games demos, they are about 700 meg a time, with new ones posted every few days and growing all the time. 75 gig should be fine, for now, but if my application to be a BBC beta tester for their new P2P network is successful then I guess I'll get a letter too.

All legit and above board, oh and I use NTL newsgroups for USA TV programs (probably less legit and above board - but they come from a NewsServer NTL provides mostly)

As long as the limits stay reasonable then there should be no problem, and NTL seem to react to the market swiftly, so when the BBC redefines TV watching in the UK over the next 2 years there will probably have to be a rethink on distribution and/or costs - or Broadband TV is going nowhere...

Oh and NTL - fix the bloody proxies or its all academic isn't it !

(You just knew there'd be a proxy moan in there didn't you)

[ynwa]

Havent got a letter yet but i would expect to. I go over 30gb every month. I dont feel guilty about it. I know loads of people with cloned modems who are getting 6mb downloads on someone elses bandwidth. I know lots more who dont pay a single penny to NTL yet get full TV and Free broadband. Its big business all over the country at the minute. I think NTL would be better dealing with these people than people who download illegal material to watch on their own TVs. Just because people download films doesnt mean they are selling DVDs.

my useage varies

unusually, lately, I have been downloading a torrent..

possibly a bad example, as it is downloading at 6KB/s

poorly seeded, rather than bad connection, but I will not be challenging the 'gigs per day' record

<edit> ooh ooh 7KB