19-10-2020, 20:41
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Re: Coronavirus
Andrew must spend an awful lot of time looking for stuff with which to smear the government.
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19-10-2020, 20:51
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth
Andrew must spend an awful lot of time looking for stuff with which to smear the government.
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Ooh what a thing to say,do you have a few hundred examples 
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19-10-2020, 20:56
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Pierre
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From your first link.
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They are particularly worried because France has already declared a flu epidemic and the virus has claimed 31 lives since November.
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From a few weeks ago.
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The number of deaths in France attributed to Covid-19 is now 31,511, an increase of 52 in the previous 24 hours, according to official figures.
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Thousandfold number of deaths. Now that's noticeable.
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19-10-2020, 20:56
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Re: Coronavirus
Another lawbreaker ?
Gary Lineker hypocrisy: BBC star flouts COVID rules as he shops in M&S without face mask
The outspoken former footballer was pictured wandering around Marks & Spencer in Barnes, south-west London, on Sunday without a mask - after months of lecturing others to do just that.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/13...-face-covering
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19-10-2020, 21:04
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by papa smurf
Advice isn't law
There is an exemption for chauffeur-driven cars, but Downing Street said it had advised all its ministers to wear coverings.
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No one's claiming it's unlawful - my quote confirms this. Sub-optimal at the least.
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19-10-2020, 21:11
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by nomadking
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I wasn’t aware we lived in France.
You stated/implied that the flu goes by “unnoticed” in the UK. I simply proved that wasn’t the case. No more, no less - you may move on.
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19-10-2020, 21:18
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Pierre
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That’s neither what Nomadking or I said.
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19-10-2020, 21:40
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by jfman
That’s neither what Nomadking or I said.
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Sorry, I may have mis-understood
Nomad said, which you subsequently cheerleaded
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Originally Posted by nomadking
If it was the same as regular flu, then it would've gone unnoticed and hospitals wouldn't be filling up fast.  |
Which certainly says to me that regular flu, does go unnoticed and doesn’t fill up hospitals. You explain to me How that statement doesn’t say that...........
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19-10-2020, 22:16
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Pierre
Sorry, I may have mis-understood
Nomad said, which you subsequently cheerleaded
Which certainly says to me that regular flu, does go unnoticed and doesn’t fill up hospitals. You explain to me How that statement doesn’t say that...........
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He said if it was the same as regular flu it’d have gone unnoticed. Which, to any reasonable person, is to say that there would have been similar numbers to and impacts on healthcare provision as seasonal flu.
Everyone knows seasonal flu happens and it has some impact on healthcare provision. Indeed, capacity is to a greater or lesser extent built around winter flu season. If it was just a seasonal flu it’d have had a routine impact. “Unnoticed” I took to clearly mean for the average observer considering the ordinary impacts of these things on their day to day lives. I’m not sure the people in Wuhan “didn’t notice” the impact or Coronavirus. Or those in Northern Italy.
I’m not sure digging up scaremongering stories from tabloids overstating season flu is equivalent to Coronavirus. Indeed, the Daily Mail assures me each year that it will be the coldest winter on record, with the warmest heatwaves ever, the odd hurricane and 8 feet of snowfall each year. I’d not use them as a barometer.
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Originally Posted by Pierre
I wasn’t aware we lived in France.
You stated/implied that the flu goes by “unnoticed” in the UK. I simply proved that wasn’t the case. No more, no less - you may move on.
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Ah, British exceptionalism is back! I’ve missed this theme in the coronavirus thread... we’re different because...
It turns out we don’t have a better healthcare system than China. Multi-generational households.
The floor is yours Pierre.
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19-10-2020, 22:16
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth
Andrew must spend an awful lot of time looking for stuff with which to smear the government.
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I've no problem in tackling apparent contradictions as I did by posting the Tony Blair story on Sunday, the Nick Hancock story today and by condemning Margaret Ferrier.
You subscribe to the view that if they're Conservative they're exempt from such criticism. Sorry, I will continue to call such politicians out, regardless of their political party.
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19-10-2020, 22:18
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth
Andrew must spend an awful lot of time looking for stuff with which to smear the government.
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In Andrew’s defence I’m not sure it takes that long with this Government. They seem to have a conveyor belt of useful stories coming out on a regular basis.
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19-10-2020, 22:25
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The Dark Satanic Mills
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by jfman
I’m not sure digging up scaremongering stories from tabloids overstating season flu is equivalent to Coronavirus.
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There is much irony in that sentence, if only you could see it.
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Ah, British exceptionalism is back! I’ve missed this theme in the coronavirus thread... we’re different because....
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You’ve gone off on one again and totally missed it. Don’t drink on a Monday night.
That was said because we were talking about the U.K. and the NHS, and he referenced France. Which was irrelevant to the discussion......nothing more.
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19-10-2020, 22:29
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Pierre
There is much irony in that sentence, if only you could see it.
You’ve gone off on one again and totally missed it. Don’t drink on a Monday night.
That was said because we were talking about the U.K. and the NHS, and he referenced France. Which was irrelevant to the discussion......nothing more.
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To believe what we are seeing elsewhere won’t happen here is naive in the extreme unless we are doing something fundamentally different.
That means our test, trace, isolate has to be better, our healthcare system has to have more capacity and better treatments or we have greater restrictions that are being strictly adhered to.
I’m not seeing any evidence of these things. Cases steadily rising, hospital cases steadily rising, deaths steadily rising. The trajectory is inevitable.
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