UK & EU Agree Post-Brexit Trade Deal
24-09-2019, 12:14
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
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Doesn’t the Attorney General need to resign? Isn’t his job to avoid these things?
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Indeed a Attorney General should know the law and how to apply the law without breaking the law..
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24-09-2019, 12:14
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
Parliament resumes tomorrow at 11:30 speaker just said but no PMQ's tomorrow
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24-09-2019, 12:16
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
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Did he see anything to avoid?
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We don’t know what his advice was but he is responsible in the end. If he didn’t see it then there are questions about his competence and if he did then he knowingly let it happen anyway.
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24-09-2019, 12:20
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
Pointed tweet from Guy Verhofstadt ✔
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At least one big relief in the Brexit saga: the rule of law in the UK is alive & kicking. Parliaments should never be silenced in a real democracy.
I never want to hear Boris Johnson or any other Brexiteer say again that the European Union is undemocratic.
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https://news.sky.com/story/live-supr...ament-11818306
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24-09-2019, 12:21
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
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The Pound has just started to do very well....
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Yes, don't go into to legal profession with your predictions...
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All my posts are silently prefixed IANAL. As the vast majority of posts on this forum are (or should be)
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24-09-2019, 12:22
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
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Originally Posted by Damien
We don’t know what his advice was but he is responsible in the end. If he didn’t see it then there are questions about his competence and if he did then he knowingly let it happen anyway.
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What I'm saying is, did he at the time see anything that could be shown (proven) to be illegal.
Possibly it was borderline, but it's taken 4 attempts to get it ruled 'unlawful', so it obviously wasn't a clear cut case was it.
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24-09-2019, 12:24
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
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I wonder how much real power Verhofstwat and his fellow MEPs had over the appointment of all the various presidents the EU has.
The right, or otherwise, of one branch of the EU’s bureaucracy to prorogue another, is not by any means a full measure of democracy.
But let’s not forget, Verhofstwat used to be the Prime Minister of Belgium and is now an MEP, and clearly thinks that represents a promotion, so his political ambition is about as great as his influence.
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24-09-2019, 12:26
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
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@guyverhofstadt
At least one big relief in the Brexit saga: the rule of law in the UK is alive & kicking. Parliaments should never be silenced in a real democracy.
I never want to hear Boris Johnson or any other Brexiteer say again that the European Union is undemocratic.
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Where I come from that's fighting talk
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24-09-2019, 12:32
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
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Think you'll have to direct the corrupt disgusting etc. words at your own Govt.
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Absolute rubbish - no corruption in the government, I see it absolutely in the disgusting union you support, which is a shameful disgrace on your part that you support a union that is undemocratic and wants to become an empire.
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24-09-2019, 12:35
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I don't see anything corrupt about offering firms substantial handouts to move from the UK to the EU, nope, nothing at all
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24-09-2019, 12:44
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Absolute rubbish - no corruption in the government, I see it absolutely in the disgusting union you support, which is a shameful disgrace on your part that you support a union that is undemocratic and wants to become an empire.
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'The Court is bound to conclude, therefore, that the decision to advise Her Majesty to prorogue Parliament was unlawful because it had the effect of frustrating or preventing the ability of Parliament to carry out its constitutional functions without reasonable justification.
It's there, in black and white. Your beloved Boris attempted to subvert and stop due democratic process from occurring. If that's not corrupt then i don't know what is ?
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24-09-2019, 12:48
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
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'The Court is bound to conclude, therefore, that the decision to advise Her Majesty to prorogue Parliament was unlawful because it had the effect of frustrating or preventing the ability of Parliament to carry out its constitutional functions without reasonable justification.
It's there, in black and white. Your beloved Boris attempted to subvert and stop due democratic process from occurring. If that's not corrupt then i don't know what is ?
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You’re overinterpreting your own quote a little.
In the portion of the judgment you have quoted, the court is observing the effect of the prorogation, not attributing motive. I’m not in a position to read the judgment for myself at the moment, so perhaps the judgment condemns BoJo’s motivations elsewhere, but in the section you have presented, it does not do so.
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24-09-2019, 12:50
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You’re overinterpreting your own quote a little.
In the portion of the judgment you have quoted, the court is observing the effect of the prorogation, not attributing motive. I’m not in a position to read the judgment for myself at the moment, so perhaps the judgment condemns BoJo’s motivations elsewhere, but in the section you have presented, it does not do so.
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I've scanned over the full reading this morning (however not at any particular depth) and it condemns his actions severely. The unanimous decision more so....
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24-09-2019, 12:52
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
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'The Court is bound to conclude, therefore, that the decision to advise Her Majesty to prorogue Parliament was unlawful because it had the effect of frustrating or preventing the ability of Parliament to carry out its constitutional functions without reasonable justification.
It's there, in black and white. Your beloved Boris attempted to subvert and stop due democratic process from occurring. If that's not corrupt then i don't know what is ?
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Of course he's not 'corrupt'! Talk about over-egging it!
Yes, it had the 'effect' of frustrating parliament. As for 'reasonable justification, I assume that Boris thought it was reasonable because of the conference season and the Queen's Speech. You can argue that he was wrong in that belief, but calling it corruption is typical of the inappropriate language being used in this debate.
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24-09-2019, 12:53
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
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Indeed a Attorney General should know the law and how to apply the law without breaking the law..
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Amber Rudd MP @AmberRuddHR
Despite personal assurances from the PM, the Cabinet was not shown the legal advice around this prorogation.
This is an astonishing moment and I regret that the PM, who entered office with such goodwill, went down this route. I urge him to work with Parliament to pass a Deal.
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