Brexit

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Indeed. Everyone's entitled to their opinions but not their facts. If we look at table 5 from the ONS we can see that government debt was £1,194.3bn in 2010 or 75.2% of GDP and is currently £1,837.5bn or 86.7% of GDP.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/gover...t/december2018

No-one disputes that the debt has increased. That happened because we were in a huge deficit situation.

Now that the deficit is down to manageable proportions, we can start paying off the debt.

This topic is not about Debt - it's not about Gold reserves, it's not about how crap Labour/Tory party are or have been, it's not about cartoons, it's not to discuss the arguments for or against Brexit. The decision has been made, the UK voted to leave.

I am sick of the old pathetic, tiresome arguments resurfacing all the time, by the same members. It has got to stop.

[Angua]

Originally Posted by Mick

This topic is not about Debt - it's not about Gold reserves, it's not about how crap Labour/Tory party are or have been, it's not about cartoons, it's not to discuss the arguments for or against Brexit. The decision has been made, the UK voted to leave.

I am sick of the old pathetic, tiresome arguments resurfacing all the time, by the same members. It has got to stop.

We haven't left because Cameron was arrogant enough to think Remain would win, whilst also idiotically forgetting the GFA.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Angua

We haven't left because Cameron was arrogant enough to think Remain would win, whilst also idiotically forgetting the GFA.

The GFA really has nothing to do with Brexit. It is used by Ireland as an economic weapon and by Remainers as an artificial excuse to stop Brexit. Are you seriously implying/suggesting that the public should not have been able to vote on leaving the wretched EU because of the GFA? Tut tut.

[Angua]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

The GFA really has nothing to do with Brexit. It is used by Ireland as an economic weapon and by Remainers as an artificial excuse to stop Brexit. Are you seriously implying/suggesting that the public should not have been able to vote on leaving the wretched EU because of the GFA? Tut tut.

Brexit has been a brilliant recruitment tool for the latest incarnation of the IRA.

Completely forgetting about the impact of Leaving on the GFA has been the problem. The UK asked for the Backstop arrangement in the WA. This has prevented the WA getting through parliament. You can wish the GFA has nothing to do with Brexit all you want. It does not stop it being a factor .

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

The GFA really has nothing to do with Brexit. It is used by Ireland as an economic weapon and by Remainers as an artificial excuse to stop Brexit. Are you seriously implying/suggesting that the public should not have been able to vote on leaving the wretched EU because of the GFA? Tut tut.

the GFA is in international law and kept the peace for all these years since it was signed and leader of the US congress as said no trade deal if UK break the GFA it does not us stop us from leaving EU but need border sorted and deal that keeps the peace

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Angua

Brexit has been a brilliant recruitment tool for the latest incarnation of the IRA.

Completely forgetting about the impact of Leaving on the GFA has been the problem. The UK asked for the Backstop arrangement in the WA. This has prevented the WA getting through parliament. You can wish the GFA has nothing to do with Brexit all you want. It does not stop it being a factor .

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northe...itics-44615404

The BBC disagrees with you.

Bother the UK and Ireland have forces at their disposal to counter terrorism.

We must not bee held to blackmail by terrorist bodies.

Furthermore, who is going to build the border? When the dust settles, and the wretched EU doesn’t get all of the 39 billion, something will be sorted out over cross-border traffic.

Btw, coaches entering Ireland from NI are stopped by the police a mile down the road and all passports/ID are checked.
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Originally Posted by Dave42

the GFA is in international law and kept the peace for all these years since it was signed and leader of the US congress as said no trade deal if UK break the GFA it does not us stop us from leaving EU but need border sorted and deal that keeps the peace

The GFA will not be broken - no-one wants a border, who is going to build one?

No-one, not the UK, not the EU and not Ireland - there, job done, stop looking for weak excuses to stop something your side lost.

And Brexit certainly has not been a recruitment tool for the IRA - that is utter rubbish.

A trilateral agreement between the US, the UK and Japan would link the world’s first, third and fifth-largest economies and also scupper any notion from Remainers that we are "isolating" ourselves from the rest of the World.

[Angua]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northe...itics-44615404

The BBC disagrees with you.

Bother the UK and Ireland have forces at their disposal to counter terrorism.

We must not bee held to blackmail by terrorist bodies.

Furthermore, who is going to build the border? When the dust settles, and the wretched EU doesn’t get all of the 39 billion, something will be sorted out over cross-border traffic.

Btw, coaches entering Ireland from NI are stopped by the police a mile down the road and all passports/ID are checked.
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The ‘backstop’ was a British proposal, not one tabled by Ireland or the EU

Varadkar: 'We cannot accept alternative arrangements'

Brexit: No-deal border checks 'will be needed'

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Mick

The GFA will not be broken - no-one wants a border, who is going to build one?

No-one, not the UK, not the EU and not Ireland - there, job done, stop looking for weak excuses to stop something your side lost.

And Brexit certainly has not been a recruitment tool for the IRA - that is utter rubbish.

A trilateral agreement between the US, the UK and Japan would link the world’s first, third and fifth-largest economies and also scupper any notion from Remainers that we are "isolating" ourselves from the rest of the World.

1st, 3rd and 5th largest economies? No prizes for guessing who'll get the rough end of that deal !

We are of course currently part of the World's largest economy, the EU, however lets throw all that away and demote ourselves to 5th..... No wonder Trump and Putin are keen on Brexit.

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by Mick

The GFA will not be broken - no-one wants a border, who is going to build one?

No-one, not the UK, not the EU and not Ireland - there, job done, stop looking for weak excuses to stop something your side lost.

And Brexit certainly has not been a recruitment tool for the IRA - that is utter rubbish.

A trilateral agreement between the US, the UK and Japan would link the world’s first, third and fifth-largest economies and also scupper any notion from Remainers that we are "isolating" ourselves from the rest of the World.

wasn't me that said that

[Angua]

Originally Posted by Dave42

wasn't me that said that

It was me based on this article

Reuters if you prefer

Originally Posted by Mr K

1st, 3rd and 5th largest economies? No prizes for guessing who'll get the rough end of that deal !

We are of course currently part of the World's largest economy, the EU, however lets throw all that away and demote ourselves to 5th..... No wonder Trump and Putin are keen on Brexit.

More rubbish - The EU is not the largest Economy in the world, it comes second after the United States of America, which is the worlds largest and in which you not want us to do trade with - bonkers because of your hate of the U.S!!!

[Angua]

Originally Posted by Mick

More rubbish - The EU is not the largest Economy in the world, it comes second after the United States of America, which is the worlds largest and in which you not want us to do trade with - bonkers because of your hate of the U.S!!!

As long as Trump is President and Congress claim to protect the GFA we are a bit stuck over trading with the US.

The EU will not allow a border that would let US sourced produce into the EU via Ireland. The checks needed on top of the Country of Origin rules makes a hard border inevitable.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Angua

As long as Trump is President and Congress claim to protect the GFA we are a bit stuck over trading with the US.

The EU will not allow a border that would let US sourced produce into the EU via Ireland. The checks needed on top of the Country of Origin rules makes a hard border inevitable.

Aside from the question of just who's going to construct this hard border or indeed order it, to see the perfidious Varadkar squirm will be a reward of significant value.

I've had enough of the Irish tail wagging the UK dog.