PM Boris forms a government

[denphone]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Loving the expression: "democratic process as per the party rule book"

The Tory Party membership: a true and honest reflection of this country's opinions & values

You can aim that sentiment at the Labour party as well.

Originally Posted by ianch99

Loving the expression: "democratic process as per the party rule book"

The Tory Party membership: a true and honest reflection of this country's opinions & values

The party membership doesn’t have to be. The party chooses its leader, not the prime minister. Ultimately the position of PM is a matter of parliamentary confidence. And parliamentary sovereignty is very much the thing right now.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by denphone

You can aim that sentiment at the Labour party as well.

So true but JC is not current Clown about to embarrass the country. His turn is next

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Originally Posted by Chris

The party membership doesn’t have to be. The party chooses its leader, not the prime minister. Ultimately the position of PM is a matter of parliamentary confidence. And parliamentary sovereignty is very much the thing right now.

Agreed but it is important to remember the type of people who will make this decision. In the same way, we should remember the role of Momentum in getting JC into power.

Both unrepresentative cabals ..

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Cutting taxes for the better off has been shown to increase tax take, but you carefully avoid that little fact. You are promoting the politics of envy. There is nothing fiscally irresponsible in Boris's tax proposals, but I think you know that.

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Boris won't, actually, even taking account of the buffonery.

However, Corbyn would soon cripple the economy as he dances with his terrorist friends.

He may in touch with the nutty right wingers, but he's out if touch with the rest of the country.
E.g his definition of middle income. He believes raising the 40p tax rate from £50k to £80k will help the average Joe. Someone needs to tell him the average UK salary is around £28k, it'd probably be a genuine surprise.(and MPs salaries being £79k is a total coincidence to this new policy!)

People want more spent on public services, health education, police, social care. The days of tax cuts are gone, it doesn't necessarily get votes any longer.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by ianch99

So true but JC is not current Clown about to embarrass the country. His turn is next

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Agreed but it is important to remember the type of people who will make this decision. In the same way, we should remember the role of Momentum in getting JC into power.

Both unrepresentative cabals ..

Well given the extremely likely choice of leader that the Conservative party will choose as their next leader and next PM and the current incumbent leader of the Labour party my vote will be going elsewhere come the next general election and its not a decision l take lightly.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Loving the expression: "democratic process as per the party rule book" Something Stalin would have been proud of! (Cue the Corbyn retort )

The Tory Party membership: a true and honest reflection of this country's opinions & values

You could have joined the party if you wanted to democratically influence the vote, you can join now and influence decisions in the future but not in this election as per the party rules.

Originally Posted by ianch99

So true but JC is not current Clown about to embarrass the country. His turn is next

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Agreed but it is important to remember the type of people who will make this decision. In the same way, we should remember the role of Momentum in getting JC into power.

Both unrepresentative cabals ..

All true, but it’s also important to remember that we don’t directly elect the executive in this country. We never have. Party leadership is a matter for party membership, which by its nature is unrepresentative. Premiership is a matter for Parliament - the Parliament we all elect. When we hold a General Election we should perhaps be more mindful of the power we are investing in the individual we elect to represent our constituency and less so of those who happen to hold ministerial positions at the time.

Perhaps the fractiousness and rebelliousness of Parliament these last few months will help re-establish that understanding.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Chris

All true, but it’s also important to remember that we don’t directly elect the executive in this country. We never have. Party leadership is a matter for party membership, which by its nature is unrepresentative. Premiership is a matter for Parliament - the Parliament we all elect. When we hold a General Election we should perhaps be more mindful of the power we are investing in the individual we elect to represent our constituency and less so of those who happen to hold ministerial positions at the time.

Perhaps the fractiousness and rebelliousness of Parliament these last few months will help re-establish that understanding.

Agreed. The delicious irony is that Johnson vehemently objected to the appointment of Gordon Brown after Blair stepped down:

Boris Johnson blasted leaders becoming PM without election in old column

Johnson hit out at the former Chancellor for taking the job at Number 10 without winning his own general election as leader, calling it a ‘gigantic fraud’. ‘It’s the arrogance. It’s the contempt. That’s what gets me,’ Johnson wrote. ‘It’s Gordon Brown’s apparent belief that he can just trample on the democratic will of the British people. ‘It’s at moments like this that I think the political world has gone mad, and I am alone in detecting the gigantic fraud.’

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

You could have joined the party if you wanted to democratically influence the vote, you can join now and influence decisions in the future but not in this election as per the party rules.

I think you wasted the crayon on this one

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Originally Posted by Chris

The party membership doesn’t have to be. The party chooses its leader, not the prime minister. Ultimately the position of PM is a matter of parliamentary confidence. And parliamentary sovereignty is very much the thing right now.

Some colour on the values of said membership. What they will accept in turn for getting Brexit. Truly frightening:

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Agreed. The delicious irony is that Johnson vehemently objected to the appointment of Gordon Brown after Blair stepped down:

Boris Johnson blasted leaders becoming PM without election in old column



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I think you wasted the crayon on this one :)

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Some colour on the values of said membership. What they will accept in turn for getting Brexit. Truly frightening:

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If you think your input is a waste then that's up to you.

[denphone]

Boris Johnson, Michael Gove, Jeremy Hunt, Sajid Javid and Rory Stewart through to next round in leadership race , Dominic Raab knocked out.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-48678723

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by denphone

Boris Johnson, Michael Gove, Jeremy Hunt, Sajid Javid and Rory Stewart through to next round in leadership race , Dominic Raab knocked out.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-48678723

Goofy's still in it then

[denphone]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Goofy's still in it then

Perhaps he has got a nice nickname for you old papa.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by denphone

Perhaps he has got a nice nickname for you old papa.

Adonis ?

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Originally Posted by denphone

Perhaps he has got a nice nickname for you old papa.

How did you know who i was referring to if he don't resemble goofy.

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Adonis ?

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How did you know who i was referring to if he don't resemble goofy.

Suspicion that Gavin Williamson, working on Boris' campaign, organised enough votes from Boris supporters to keep Javid in the race: https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/...37221790867463