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Old 11-05-2022, 22:29   #1861
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Yeah, no issue if other people want to wear masks. Just glad that I no longer have to do so.
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Old 11-05-2022, 23:29   #1862
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Your "snowflake" may be someone who’s clinically vulnerable, or caring for someone who is clinically vulnerable…
Which is not exactly something new, they have always existed, long before they started with wearing masks.
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Old 12-05-2022, 00:16   #1863
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Which is not exactly something new, they have always existed, long before they started with wearing masks.
However, COVID helped us learn that wearing masks can reduce the risk to the clinically vulnerable.
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Old 12-05-2022, 01:24   #1864
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The risk to the clinically vulnerable should have already been significantly reduced with them having the vaccines.
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Old 12-05-2022, 07:47   #1865
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Re: Coronavirus

All fair points but let's not forget that the primary clinical function of mask wearing (if this is true) is to catch virus coming out of the mask wearer and not to actually protect them from others (though this effect may be there to a lesser degree).


Of course, this does work best if people who continue to do this have good masks and use them properly i.e. disposable masks being single use (throw it away when you take it off) and work around the nose and mouth. Not wearing them outdoors especially when it's raining because a wet mask doesn't work... All things which you see people who are still wearing masks doing.


Respiratory viruses and CEV people existed before covid and before we started wearing masks. For the relatively small amount of people in this category, it's not really reasonable to suggest generally wearing one, even though this means that you don't know that the person sat next to you at the theatre or in the queue behind you for the checkout isn't CEV, and that you can't really take precautions for them.


It'd be interesting to see why those who are still wearing masks (in general, such as in shops, in the street, sat at bus stops, as opposed to those in healthcare settings or protecting CEV people who they are actively caring for) are still doing so, I would guess a fair amount of them probably think that it stops them from getting covid, or that they are still scared to go out without one because of the government messaging in the past, or something along those lines. Because if you think about it, aside from the possibility of asymptomatic infection, there isn't really a great deal of point in people who are not ill wearing anything to protect them from spreading a virus, and even then thinking that a piece of cloth as opposed to a KN95 or FFP2 mask would have any discernible effect at all, or at very most a minor one. And really, the best advice to those people is to stay home until you're better. Even if they have a cold and not covid for example, that is still unpleasant for most people and might be severe for those with other conditions.
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Old 12-05-2022, 07:50   #1866
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However, COVID helped us learn that wearing masks can reduce the risk to the clinically vulnerable.
Well, at least that was what was claimed. The masks most people use are not particularly effective. If we really wanted people to wear masks to stop the virus spreading rather than just to make people feel safer, we would have been required to wear proper surgical masks.
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Old 12-05-2022, 12:20   #1867
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Re: Coronavirus

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All fair points but let's not forget that the primary clinical function of mask wearing (if this is true) is to catch virus coming out of the mask wearer and not to actually protect them from others (though this effect may be there to a lesser degree).


Of course, this does work best if people who continue to do this have good masks and use them properly i.e. disposable masks being single use (throw it away when you take it off) and work around the nose and mouth. Not wearing them outdoors especially when it's raining because a wet mask doesn't work... All things which you see people who are still wearing masks doing.


Respiratory viruses and CEV people existed before covid and before we started wearing masks. For the relatively small amount of people in this category, it's not really reasonable to suggest generally wearing one, even though this means that you don't know that the person sat next to you at the theatre or in the queue behind you for the checkout isn't CEV, and that you can't really take precautions for them.


It'd be interesting to see why those who are still wearing masks (in general, such as in shops, in the street, sat at bus stops, as opposed to those in healthcare settings or protecting CEV people who they are actively caring for) are still doing so, I would guess a fair amount of them probably think that it stops them from getting covid, or that they are still scared to go out without one because of the government messaging in the past, or something along those lines. Because if you think about it, aside from the possibility of asymptomatic infection, there isn't really a great deal of point in people who are not ill wearing anything to protect them from spreading a virus, and even then thinking that a piece of cloth as opposed to a KN95 or FFP2 mask would have any discernible effect at all, or at very most a minor one. And really, the best advice to those people is to stay home until you're better. Even if they have a cold and not covid for example, that is still unpleasant for most people and might be severe for those with other conditions.
You are incorrect. Use of N95/FFP2 masks significantly reduces the risk of infection to the mask wearer - see: https://www.mpg.de/17916867/coronavi...isk-protection. You are conflating the (incorrect) choice of mask type with the purpose of wearing one.

If you want to mitigate the risk of catching Covid while infections levels are still high then wear a mask but wear the right type. It is a personal choice after all. I personally do not wear one when out unless I visit higher risk locations but I have no problem with others wearing one.

I suppose there are weirdos out there who get kicks for insulting people which may choose to wear one but I'd hope most of us are more tolerant.
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You see the odd snowflake here walking down the street in one but yeah. Barely anyone is wearing them.
Did it occur to you that they might have it? Poxy snowflakes, trying to save you from a disease that's killed millions worldwide, what's wrong with these people
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The risk to the clinically vulnerable should have already been significantly reduced with them having the vaccines.
Which is of course not mutually exclusive with mask wearing. Risk can be even further reduced with both.

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The modern parlance is “mild symptoms”. Asymptomatic infection was widely discredited by the human challenge trials in which 16 of 18 went on to develop symptoms.
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Did it occur to you that they might have it?
Then they should be at home, recovering, like any ill person.
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Then they should be at home, recovering, like any ill person.
Maybe they're not ill and are under no obligation to do anything anymore
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Which is of course not mutually exclusive with mask wearing. Risk can be even further reduced with both.
Indeed but the onus is on the individual or the individual's guardians/carers to manage their risk and to protect themselves against that risk. Rather than mandating others to do it for them.

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Maybe they're not ill and are under no obligation to do anything anymore
If they're not ill, they dont need to wear a mask.
Maybe they see fluffy pink elephants when they open their eyes.
Maybe you are just arguing/trolling for the sake of it.
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Re: Coronavirus

Can any of those that know help me make up my mind, please?

1. I've had three jabs.

2. I've just been invited for the 4th jab.

3. I had (very) mild Covid about 8 weeks ago.

4. I'm travelling abroad in March 2023 for 5 weeks.

5. Some countries insist that one's last booster vaccination should be less than 270 days previous.

So my question is this:

Should I have my booster now or does my Covid episode "allow" me to be boosted later, say July 2022? Your advice would be at my risk!


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If they're not ill, they dont need to wear a mask.
Maybe they see fluffy pink elephants when they open their eyes.
Maybe you are just arguing/trolling for the sake of it.
Maybe you are! You are aware you can be infected without being ill. I'd wear one if I thought I had been exposed and there was any chance I could infect others
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