R.I.P Alfie Evans 'Dies’ after life support ends - Page 5

**Mick** · 29-04-2018, 15:24

I still stand by my views Hugh, you have proved nothing to me.

The parents should have the right to as many medical opinions as they wish, to keep their boy alive, if that is what they wanted.

pip08456 · 29-04-2018, 16:25

They received those opinions Mick, even the Italian team agreed moving him to Italy would present further brain damage.

As is totally normal the parents looked everywhere for a better outcome but there wasn't one. All the clinicians agreed. Even the one's the parents requested to give an opinion including the doctors from Italy.

Any continued social media frenzy just prolongs the parents suffering.

RichardCoulter · 29-04-2018, 17:17

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Originally Posted by Hugh

You may have been misinformed.

Swans, yes - children,no...

I have a friend who's wife is a lawyer regarding childrens issues, so I called them today and she confirmed it wasn't correct.

Dude111 · 02-05-2018, 08:47

Very sad to hear this

**Damien** · 02-05-2018, 11:12

The group representing the parents, especially the lawyers, might face an investigation for bad legal advice: https://www.theguardian.com/law/2018...fie-evans-case

**Mick** · 02-05-2018, 12:15

That is pathetic if it is true, the parents are free to take any advice they choose.

But in my opinion, the parents acted on their own volition. That is, they wanted to do all they could to protect their boy and take him abroad because the NHS was no longer a viable solution to them.

**Damien** · 02-05-2018, 12:50

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Originally Posted by Mick

That is pathetic if it is true, the parents are free to take any advice they choose..

But if you get bad legal advice that's allowed to be questioned. No one is saying the parents aren't entitled to legal advice but that if the legal advice is wrong they need protection against that happening.

**Mick** · 02-05-2018, 13:04

I get that but it looks like a scapegoat is being sought to look why the parents took all the legal avenues they did...

The elephant in the room is that they loved their boy and that's all there is to it, Alfie has sadly passed, all this, looking for reasons why this or that, is not needed and they need to let Alfie's death be treated with the dignity it deserves.

pip08456 · 02-05-2018, 18:53

The elephant in the room is not their child, what parent would not clutch at any straw? That is human nature.

The elephant is the legal advisor via the CLC who will neither confirm or deny his legal standing and the advice he gave the parents.

Do you really think the parents have a case for charging the doctors involved for murder having persued every avenue including second and third opinions at the parents request?

OLD BOY · 02-05-2018, 19:12

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Originally Posted by pip08456

The elephant in the room is not their child, what parent would not clutch at any straw? That is human nature.

The elephant is the legal advisor via the CLC who will neither confirm or deny his legal standing and the advice he gave the parents.

Do you really think the parents have a case for charging the doctors involved for murder having persued every avenue including second and third opinions at the parents request?

My concern is about whether Alfie suffered as a result of this vain attempt to prolong his life against the advice of the doctors.

We seem to be obsessed in this country about prolonging life regardless of the poor quality of that life.

The first concern should be for the patient, not for anyone else. That is where the medical priority should lie, and that should be made clear in law. Parents should not be able to dictate to doctors about this if it results in more pain and suffering for the patient. Obviously, they should be consulted, but their views should not affect the patient adversely.

pip08456 · 02-05-2018, 19:31

I agree 100% OB but it would appear there are few that put Alfie first when going to the courts. Alder Hey consulted with the parents every step of the way, got their own opinions from other leading children's hospitals as well as those suggested by the parents.

Each and every one agreed there was nothing to be done in this unfortunate case. All the Italllian doctors offered was continued palliative care and more tests.

For every parent in cases like this they can be manipulated because (understandably) they are looking for a solution. I would hate to be in the same position but like it or not eventually you have to accept that there's nothing more to be done.

American Christian groups do nothing more than offer false hope and IMHO extend suffering.

1andrew1 · 02-05-2018, 20:18

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Originally Posted by pip08456

The elephant in the room is not their child, what parent would not clutch at any straw? That is human nature.

The elephant is the legal advisor via the CLC who will neither confirm or deny his legal standing and the advice he gave the parents.

Do you really think the parents have a case for charging the doctors involved for murder having persued every avenue including second and third opinions at the parents request?

Totally agree. It strikes me that this "legal adviser" prolonged the poor child's suffering and put a wedge between Alfie's parents and the hospital.

02-05-2018, 20:23

The second case's like this hit the media the best interests of the child go out the window it becomes a urinating contest for who can look more caring and compassionate no matter what suffering their dragging things out might cause to the kid.