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Old 04-12-2018, 09:55   #421
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Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.

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Death of comedy then as that's pretty much based on mild offending of someone.
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Decent comedy disappeared a long time ago once the PC brigade started to get their way..
Sadly that's the nail hit firmly on the head (am I allowed to say that? )

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Old 04-12-2018, 10:06   #422
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Decent comedy disappeared a long time ago once the PC brigade started to get their way..
If you substitute ‘PC’ with ‘treating others with respect’, it changes your view, I find.

For instance, "It’s treating others with respect gone mad, I tell you!", doesn’t quite have the same ring to it...

Whilst there are a few outliers that are just plain silly, the fact that we cannot, with impunity, be openly derogatory to minorities, women, and those with disabilities seems a good thing to me.

YMMV.
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If you substitute ‘PC’ with ‘treating others with respect’, it changes your view, I find.

For instance, "It’s treating others with respect gone mad, I tell you!", doesn’t quite have the same ring to it...

Whilst there are a few outliers that are just plain silly, the fact that we cannot, with impunity, be openly derogatory to minorities, women, and those with disabilities seems a good thing to me.

YMMV.
l know what you mean Hugh as l do understand certain things cannot be said but political correctness has gone way too OTT these days IMO.
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l know what you mean Hugh as l do understand certain things cannot be said but political correctness has gone way too OTT these days IMO.
Should not be, not cannot be...

A few examples of stupid excess does not make the principle wrong - it’s like anti-vaxxers using the one in a million issue with vaccinations to try and show that all vaccines are bad.
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Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.

An example of how it should work..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsqInns6LXQ
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An example of how it should work..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsqInns6LXQ
Of course it helps to have a disability when making jokes about other disabled people.

I listened to the show on the day in question and it really was tame, speaks volumes given the size of his audience only one person complained, wouldn't mind betting offence wasn't the driving factor behind their complaint either
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Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.

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If you substitute ‘PC’ with ‘treating others with respect’, it changes your view, I find.
Of course changing the text changes its meaning, that doesnt make what you change it too valid though
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Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.

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An example of how it should work..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsqInns6LXQ
I love Lost Voice Guy, things like this do a great deal in counteracting misunderstanding and discrimination towards disabled people.
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Old 11-12-2018, 21:59   #429
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Ofcom have a reputation of being a toothless tiger so far as TV/Radio regulation is concerned. However, if they are successful in running the UK scheme to deal with internet abuse, it appears that they will be a lot stricter where 'Protected Characteristics' are concerned.

An LBC presenter made a joke about a blind man using a guide horse instead of a guide dog. It wasn't a very good joke, but I didn't find it offensive (there again, i'm not severely sight impaired).

Ofcom are to force Global (the owner of LBC) to employ another person in the studio whenever this presenter is on air to ensure compliance of their standards. If anything similar happens again, more formal and severe sanctions will be imposed, which could ultimately lead to huge fines or having their licence to broadcast revoked.
Following the Ofcom ruling, Saleem (the blind man referred to by Steve Allen) expected him or LBC to get in contact with him to apologise for the remarks or to ask him how he's doing at the very least. This was not forthcoming, so he has now confirmed that legal advice is being taken with a view to taking action on the grounds of disability discrimination. He does not accept that having a certain radio technique or style should be an excuse for disability discrimination.

In response, Steve Allen has stated that he was aware that his comments had the capacity to cause offence, but that it "was not his intention to treat the blind community with insensitivity".

It was a listener to the show who complained to Ofcom, not Saleem (or myself).

It just goes to show that an apology goes a long way, but it appears that Mr Allen finds this to be beneath him.
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Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.

Good.

Its about time someone stopped "apologising" everytime some other snowflake decides to be "offended".

Its a shame some of these weak companies dont start telling people where to go with some of the ridiculous claims being made about their products, displays etc.
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Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.

Well, it looks like an impartial and independent third party (the courts) will now be deciding whether his remarks about blind people were appropriate or not.

I wonder if Global Radio will be 'encouraging' Allen to make a belated apology as a form of damage limitation? This might also go some way to appeasing Ofcom.

In my experience of such matters, it's usually low level frontline staff who deal with complaints about discrimination in a wholly innapropriate manner. Even when the consequences are spelt out to them, they often dig their heels in e.g. refusing to acknowledge that they have acted unlawfully, refusing to apologise or sort things out properly etc.

It's only after the matter is referred to the legal bods (who will only deal with management) that things are eventually sorted out properly. As part of any settlement, I usually insist that the relevant staff receive appropriate (re)training to ensure that the areas of weakness that have been identified don't reoccur.

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Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.

About time someone took the right stand against supposed "safe spaces":

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-46541002
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Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.

They had every right to lay out what was expected of him and he had every right to pull out of doing the show.

It looks like they've retracted now, so, despite the risk of losing the gig, his stance did make a difference.
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Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.

Common sense prevails. We need more of it.
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They had every right to lay out what was expected of him and he had every right to pull out of doing the show.

It looks like they've retracted now, so, despite the risk of losing the gig, his stance did make a difference.
Having the right doesn't make it right, just sad. Sad to what it's become. Those people that take offence with comedy really need to get a life.
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