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**Mick** · 14-11-2018, 18:56

More from Laura Kuenssberg BBC Political Editor: "No way of knowing exactly how and if this will happen - but hearing same as @SamCoatesTimes - seems some Brexiteers are switching position from wait and see to moving now"

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Originally Posted by Mick

More from Laura Kuenssberg BBC Political Editor: "No way of knowing exactly how and if this will happen - but hearing same as @SamCoatesTimes - seems some Brexiteers are switching position from wait and see to moving now"

More from LK:

"Understand there has not yet been an official ERG decision to get group to push button on letters going in, but levels of anger so high that some are doing it anyway - this might be the start of crashing into a leadership contest by accident - impossible to tell yet"

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BREAKING: Brexit Secretary Dominic Raab, NOW not expected to travel to Brussels tonight to meet with Michel Barnier, has deal been rejected by Cabinet ?

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Cabinet is winding up their meeting - Statement expected imminently.

denphone · 14-11-2018, 19:01

The Spectator’s James Forsyth states.

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Am told argument gaining traction within the ERG is that 48 letters wouldn’t necessarily bring down May but would show that this Brexit deal couldn’t pass the Commons without wholesale Labour support

Dave42 · 14-11-2018, 19:32

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Originally Posted by Mick

More from Laura Kuenssberg BBC Political Editor: "No way of knowing exactly how and if this will happen - but hearing same as @SamCoatesTimes - seems some Brexiteers are switching position from wait and see to moving now"

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More from LK:

"Understand there has not yet been an official ERG decision to get group to push button on letters going in, but levels of anger so high that some are doing it anyway - this might be the start of crashing into a leadership contest by accident - impossible to tell yet"

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BREAKING: Brexit Secretary Dominic Raab, NOW not expected to travel to Brussels tonight to meet with Michel Barnier, has deal been rejected by Cabinet ?

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Cabinet is winding up their meeting - Statement expected imminently.

cant see them having the numbers to oust her in a vote and if they lose the vote then cant try again for a year in tory rules

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cabinet agree the deal cant see it getting past parliment

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EU chief negotiator Michel Barnier will address a news conference at 8pm UK time.

Pierre · 14-11-2018, 19:35

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cabinet agree the deal cant see it getting past parliment

I wouldn’t be so sure. If parliament vote it down we are almost certainly looking at No Deal. Are they willing to take that risk. This why the Cabinet have approved it.

May has delivered a deal, there will be comprises.

Question is will the EU approve it?

Will be interesting to see the detail

denphone · 14-11-2018, 19:37

The detail will apparently be out later tonight.

Dave42 · 14-11-2018, 19:39

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I wouldn’t be so sure. If parliament vote it down we are almost certainly looking at No Deal. Are they willing to take that risk. This why the Cabinet have approved it.

May has delivered a deal, there will be comprises.

Question is will the EU approve it?

Will be interesting to see the detail

interesting she used words no Brexit too

and the EU don't wont a no deal either so yes I cant see them not approving it they been waiting to see what happened in cabinet meeting

denphone · 14-11-2018, 19:50

Here is the full text of Theresa May’s statement.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-politics-live

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The cabinet has just had a long, detailed and impassioned debate on the draft withdrawl agreement and on the outline political declaration on our future relationship with the European Union.

These documents were the result of thousands of hours of hard negotiation by UK officials and many, many meetings which I and other ministers held with our EU counterparts.

I firmly believe that the draft withdrawal agreement was the best that could be negotiated and it was for the cabinet to decide whether to move on in the talks.

The choices before us were difficult, particularly in relation to the Northern Ireland backstop, but the collective decision of cabinet was that the government should agree the draft withdrawal agreement and the outline political declaration.

This is a decisive step which enables us to move on and finalise the deal in the days ahead.

These decisions were not taken lightly but I believe it is a decision that is firmly in the national interest.

When you strip away the detail the choice before us is clear. This deal, which delivers on the vote of the referendum, which brings us back control of our money, laws and borders, ends free movement, protects jobs, security and our union, or leave with no deal, or no Brexit at all.

I know that there will be difficult days ahead. This is a decision which will come under intense scrutiny, and that is entirely as it should be, and entirely understandable.

But the choice was this deal, which enables us to take back control and build a brighter future for our country, or going back to square one, with more division, more uncertainty, and the failure to deliver on the referendum.

It’s my job as prime minister to explain the decisions that the government has taken, and I stand ready to do that, beginning tomorrow with a statement in parliament.

Let me end by just saying this; I believe that what I owe to this country is to take decisions that are in the national interest and I firmly believe, with my head and my heart, that this is a decision that is in the best interests of our entire United Kingdom.

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And here is the Text of the draft Brexit withdrawal agreement

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/site...greement_0.pdf

Mr K · 14-11-2018, 20:03

Interesting 'no Brexit at all' is now an option...

**Mick** · 14-11-2018, 20:06

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Interesting 'no Brexit at all' is now an option...

And as a Labour MP said, it was unfortunate TM spoke to the press before parliament because it that is not an option because there is that little detail of Brexit being enshrined in to UK law.

Mr K · 14-11-2018, 20:10

The Brexit she's proposing is virtually 'No Brexit at all' except it involves us paying out billions and having our voting rights removed. The more I think about it the worse it gets,no wonder Brexiteers and Remainers are rejecting it. She's brought them together if nothing else !

OLD BOY · 14-11-2018, 20:10

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Interesting 'no Brexit at all' is now an option...

Don't go raising your hopes, Mr K! TM has already ruled that out.

OLD BOY · 14-11-2018, 20:12

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And as a Labour MP said, it was unfortunate TM spoke to the press before parliament because it that is not an option because there is that little detail of Brexit being enshrined in to UK law.

Given that Article 50 has been triggered already, we are no longer in the EU after 29 March 2019, whether Parliament votes or not.

denphone · 14-11-2018, 20:12

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And as a Labour MP said, it was unfortunate TM spoke to the press before parliament because it that is not an option because there is that little detail of Brexit being enshrined in to UK law.

She should have never spoke to the press before parliament.

Mr K · 14-11-2018, 20:13

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Don't go raising your hopes, Mr K! TM has already ruled that out.

Ermm, read the speech ... It's a possibility according to TM. Obviously designed to scare the Brextreemists !

OLD BOY · 14-11-2018, 20:14

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Ermm, read the speech ... It's a possibility according to TM. Obviously designed to scare the Brextreemists !

Yes, it's an option, but one she's ruled out.