Brexit - Page 179

1andrew1 · 26-05-2019, 10:20

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

No, we are not. A General Election is just not necessary. A Brexiteer at the helm is all we need. It's the moaning remainers who have got us into this mess. We just need someone with guts to lead this country.

Old Boy, I appreciate that it's frustrating time with 29/3 coming and going, but I don't think that's constructive language.
If I was a Brexiter, I would want an election as my Parliamentary majority could only grow as the Brexit Party would be neutralised and Corbyn is still in charge of Labour.

papa smurf · 26-05-2019, 10:58

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Old Boy, I appreciate that it's frustrating time with 29/3 coming and going, but I don't think that's constructive language.
If I was a Brexiter, I would want an election as my Parliamentary majority could only grow as the Brexit Party would be neutralised and Corbyn is still in charge of Labour.

I'm a brexiter and i don't want a General Election,and the rules say we don't need one , i do hope you're not a poker player because you're too transparent

OLD BOY · 26-05-2019, 11:07

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Old Boy, I appreciate that it's frustrating time with 29/3 coming and going, but I don't think that's constructive language.
If I was a Brexiter, I would want an election as my Parliamentary majority could only grow as the Brexit Party would be neutralised and Corbyn is still in charge of Labour.

I said 'moaning remainers' to separate those who are trying to overturn the referendum result from those remainers who accept the decision of the electorate.

A General Election now could make things a lot worse until the Conservatives elect a new Leader and they get their feet under the table, so that's not going to happen in the short term. Additionally, they will probably wish to wait until Brexit can be shown to have been a success, to finally put Project Fear to bed.

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Originally Posted by ianch99

Much as it pains me to do so, I disagree: Brexit started as an attempt to shore up the Tory Party and it will end as one. The EU Election results will show the a decimated Tory vote. The Tory Grandees will take this data and project a GE result that will terrify them. They will lose power and this, against the worse opposition leader for many years. The Brexit Party will hit the Tories harder than Labour, enough to take away their ability to govern. There would be a probable Labour/Lib-Dem coalition but after the 2010 debacle, this may not play out.

So, the Tory MPs will look at the looming disaster and do what they all do, put their interests first. Sod the country. The Tory party and it's continued existence will be the only game in town. So, they will get behind a No Deal candidate because, if they do not, they are toast at the next GE. May has seen to this ..

You can keep believing that, if that's what you want to do, but the fact of the matter is that a great number of people do not want to be in the EU. The Conservatives needed to lance the boil, although it didn't go the way they thought it would.

Brexit will be good for Britain, as you will see in the years ahead.

pip08456 · 26-05-2019, 11:12

There is a petition doing the rounds ATM.

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Petition If Theresa May resigns as Prime Minister a general election must be held.

The people must decide the future of this country not a political party

denphone · 26-05-2019, 11:14

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

I'm a brexiter and i don't want a General Election,and the rules say we don't need one , i do hope you're not a poker player because you're too transparent

Indeed the rules do say you don't need a general Election but any incoming leader will have at best a hollow mandate as they will have not got any direct affirmation by the electorate.

jfman · 26-05-2019, 11:31

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Don't be ridiculous. We are a thriving economy and are well placed to do trade deals that are beneficial to us.

A fantasy so abstract even Rees-Mogg says it could take 50 years.

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Corbyn? The Marxist? Have you lost your mind??[COLOR="Silver"]

No, we are not. A General Election is just not necessary. A Brexiteer at the helm is all we need. It's the moaning remainers who have got us into this mess. We just need someone with guts to lead this country.

As I said, a Corbyn Government couldn’t deliver much of the more radical ideas anyway. There’s no Parliamentary support in his own party, let alone the opposition.

“Guts” won’t help anyone. We’ve no negotiating position and the EU know it. Changing leader doesn’t change that. With remainers like Rudd and Hammond outside the tent instead of inside the Parliamentary arithmetic moves further against any type of Brexit, let alone no deal Brexit.

As I’ve repeated a number of times: if no deal is so good why are even some prominent Brexit supporters against it? Without using the word courage. This isn’t a World War Two propaganda reel. There’s no credible economic analysis, from anyone, that says we are better off under no deal.

Pierre · 26-05-2019, 11:40

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Originally Posted by pip08456

There is a petition doing the rounds ATM.

That’s a bit rich, the people did decide but are being thwarted by politicians

pip08456 · 26-05-2019, 12:01

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Originally Posted by Pierre

That’s a bit rich, the people did decide but are being thwarted by politicians

It has only managed about 30.000 signatures so far.

Just checked, 31.000.

Carth · 26-05-2019, 12:15

Personally, I think the whole Brexit referendum idea was a plan designed to show that players such as Farrage and his followers were a small minority in the grand scheme of things, with no real support from the masses, and could therefore safely be ignored forever after.

Ultimately, as shown, they were well out of touch with the people they represent . . it was a close result I admit, but it was a result I believe they never in their wildest dreams envisaged

Cameron waved as he walked away from the monumental mess he'd created, but who else that contributed to that mess is still in office and doing 'very well thank you' ?

jfman · 26-05-2019, 13:02

The Tories are out of touch. That’s not new.

Angua · 26-05-2019, 13:41

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Originally Posted by denphone

Especially since bursaries were abolished.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...ries-abolished

Brexit and the NHS are incompatible. I fear what will happen over the next decade.

pip08456 · 26-05-2019, 13:41

RE- exit polls for EU elections.

Just found this little snippet.

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Will there be exit polls?

No - the rest of the EU will be voting over the next few days. It is a criminal offence for any country in the EU to publish exit polls, or any information about how people have voted during the election, before 22:00 BST on Sunday 26 May.

gba93 · 26-05-2019, 13:49

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Originally Posted by Angua

Brexit and the NHS are incompatible. I fear what will happen over the next decade.

FYI there was a NHS before we joined the EEC (EU) and there will be after we leave.

jfman · 26-05-2019, 13:51

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Originally Posted by gba93

FYI there was a NHS before we joined the EEC (EU) and there will be after we leave.

Decimated by privatisation demanded in a US trade deal, but in a technicality it'll still exist.

OLD BOY · 26-05-2019, 13:54

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Originally Posted by gba93

FYI there was a NHS before we joined the EEC (EU) and there will be after we leave.

Exactly! It is incredible how some remainers think, or they would have you believe.