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Election 2019, Week 1
View Poll Results: Your voting intention at this stage of the campaign:
Labour 7 14.58%
Conservative 20 41.67%
Liberal Democrat 8 16.67%
UKIP 0 0%
Brexit Party 3 6.25%
Green 0 0%
Change UK 0 0%
Plaid Cymru 1 2.08%
SNP 1 2.08%
Irish nationalist 1 2.08%
Irish unionist 0 0%
Other 1 2.08%
Abstaining 2 4.17%
Ineligible 0 0%
Undecided 4 8.33%
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Old 08-11-2019, 14:24   #346
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Austerity was not for nothing. Yes, it was painful, but it brought our deficit down to much more sustainable levels. Only now can we think of spending more, because we have room to maneouvre.

Sorry to hear about your delayed train. You should have been on the planet when the railways were a nationalised industry. Not only were they often late and overcrowded, but they were filthy too, and their curled up sandwiches were legendary.
Austerity evidently was for nothing. Our country is in more debt than at any point in history, and despite their extraordinary attack on the poor the Conservatives have still not balanced the books.

We have never had more people in unstable employment, or more “working poor” since industrialisation, inequality has never been higher. The fifth richest country in the world with millions of people resorting to food bank use. Public services are deteriorating.

You are fooling absolutely no-one with your party political broadcasts form the Conservative Party.

Apologies I forgot selling off the family silver on the cheap. Royal Mail privatisation being the most recent example.

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Old 08-11-2019, 14:51   #347
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Things were much better way back when I was a lad . . .

There were more jobs than workers to fill them, many people were 'poor' but spent their meager earnings wisely and not on the latest phone, we had milk delivered to our doorstep, the postman usually brought letters not junk mail, schools didn't need to spend thousands on laptops for everyone, hardly anyone got offended by being called silly names, we were happy with our coal fires and single glazed steel frame windows, if you were lucky enough to have a car you could fix it yourself, hard drugs were explicitly for the rich and famous (we had to get by with homegrown), and kids used to be playing outdoors, and much much more . .

Yep, much better off I tell ya
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Things were much better way back when I was a lad . . .

There were more jobs than workers to fill them, many people were 'poor' but spent their meager earnings wisely and not on the latest phone, we had milk delivered to our doorstep, the postman usually brought letters not junk mail, schools didn't need to spend thousands on laptops for everyone, hardly anyone got offended by being called silly names, we were happy with our coal fires and single glazed steel frame windows, if you were lucky enough to have a car you could fix it yourself, hard drugs were explicitly for the rich and famous (we had to get by with homegrown), and kids used to be playing outdoors, and much much more . .

Yep, much better off I tell ya
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And they were all on strike.
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and footballers weren't millionaires, police could safely clip you round the ear, and there was more than one bus a day
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I challenge those who say they will vote Labour to justify how they can do this in the face of rank antisemitism from Corbyn right across his supporting cohort.
"Anyone but Boris" still potentially puts a bunch of terrorist lovers into power.
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I challenge those who say they will vote Labour to justify how they can do this in the face of rank antisemitism from Corbyn right across his supporting cohort.
"Anyone but Boris" still potentially puts a bunch of terrorist lovers into power.
Because I don't accept that thinking the Palestinians are entitled to a state on land they've lived on for thousands of years is anti-Semitism?
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Because I don't accept that thinking the Palestinians are entitled to a state on land they've lived on for thousands of years is anti-Semitism?
I’m pretty sure someone who watches the news as closely as you do is well aware that the basic belief in a Palestinian state is not what is being labelled as anti Semitic.
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Because I don't accept that thinking the Palestinians are entitled to a state on land they've lived on for thousands of years is anti-Semitism?
If that was the only question, it would be fine. But you can see what's coming out of the nasty Momentum woodwork by the number of Labour would-bes giving up their candidature. Corbyn has driven out at least two Jewish MPs and the bile that they receive in their social media is testament to what his cohort supports.

Are you seriously in line with that lot?
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If that was the only question, it would be fine. But you can see what's coming out of the nasty Momentum woodwork by the number of Labour would-bes giving up their candidature. Corbyn has driven out at least two Jewish MPs and the bile that they receive in their social media is testament to what his cohort supports.

Are you seriously in line with that lot?
And the Islamophobia in the Tory party can safely be the ignored? Seem to remember all the potential Tory leader candidates agreeing to an independent investigation, all gone quiet on that!
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I’m pretty sure someone who watches the news as closely as you do is well aware that the basic belief in a Palestinian state is not what is being labelled as anti Semitic.
It's fundamentally why Jeremy Corbyn is, yes. While he has had dialogue with obvious terrorist organisations I'm not sure that's worthy of condemnation. We only have to look a short distance across the water to see how communities can transform through dialogue, despite a precarious tension.
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And the Islamophobia in the Tory party can safely be the ignored? Seem to remember all the potential Tory leader candidates agreeing to an independent investigation, all gone quiet on that!
... and what Islamophobia would that be and has it driven any Muslims out of the MP list?

Doesn't alter the disgraceful facts about the Labour Party.
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... and what Islamophobia would that be and has it driven any Muslims out of the MP list?

Doesn't alter the disgraceful facts about the Labour Party.
Nonsense. This is just a ruse to deflect from ten years of Conservative failure. It works because the media peddle it.
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... and what Islamophobia would that be and has it driven any Muslims out of the MP list?

Doesn't alter the disgraceful facts about the Labour Party.
This Islamophobia if you care to look as yes l agree with you on Anti-Semitism as that is just as bad in the Labour Party as both major parties need to get their house in order but seem totally incapable of doing it..

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Baroness Warsi sides with the Palestinians - no surprise really because of her ethnic affiliation. She made a point of asking a question about Parliament recognising Palestine as a state. Really nothing to do with the UK but clearly bias from her ethnicity. Then those who disagree with her position are Islamophobes.

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