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Election 2019, Week 1
View Poll Results: Your voting intention at this stage of the campaign:
Labour 7 14.58%
Conservative 20 41.67%
Liberal Democrat 8 16.67%
UKIP 0 0%
Brexit Party 3 6.25%
Green 0 0%
Change UK 0 0%
Plaid Cymru 1 2.08%
SNP 1 2.08%
Irish nationalist 1 2.08%
Irish unionist 0 0%
Other 1 2.08%
Abstaining 2 4.17%
Ineligible 0 0%
Undecided 4 8.33%
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Old 08-11-2019, 09:17   #331
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I'm stood on a delayed 1970s overcrowded, overpriced, failed heating train this morning, going nowhere slowly. One of many areas where the private sector has failed us (they of course, are doing quite well out of it !)

The economy isn't working well, and will be worse if those self centered idiots get another 5 years. Borrowing not seen since the 1970s is planned by this Govt., sublime to the ridiculous... Austerity was for nothing, has caused huge uneeded damage and solved nothing.
Its quite amazing how the Conservatives who want to keep their grubby hands on power for the next five years have suddenly gone down the oppositions route of shredding their fiscal rules and having a binge on borrowing.

Jam today gruel tomorrow springs to mind Mr K..
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Jam today gruel tomorrow springs to mind Mr K..
Indeed Den, it'll be spending for a year after the election, then austerity for another 20 years to make up for it, targeted at the most vulnerable again, of course. More fool the public if they vote for it.
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I'm stood on a delayed 1970s overcrowded, overpriced, failed heating train this morning.
This is unlikely. What train was it?
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If you’re going to play lawyers, do try to get your basic facts right. The Supreme Court ruled the advice unlawful, not illegal. There is more than a trivial difference between the two.

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In this case the distinction is irrelevant. The Prime Minister sought to carry out an action that he was constitutionally unable to do. The outcome: to have that action reversed. Illegal and unlawful are irrelevant to the point. I also at no point said they mean the same thing - I said I didn’t care for the distinction in this instance because it has no bearing on outcome.

I can judge someone ineffective for having no role other than being a passive observer to an unlawful act. Yes, I absolutely can.
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This is unlikely. What train was it?
It's a Pacer train in the North if England, and yes it maybe 1980's, but that makes it no better. Its a bus on a track, even the bloody windows leak ! Unlimited money for Crossrail in London though....
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It's a Pacer train in the North if England, and yes it maybe 1980's, but that makes it no better. Its a bus on a track, even the bloody windows leak ! Unlimited money for Crossrail in London though....
Those old Pacers did it go bumpety bump bump . as they were supposed to have gone the way of the dodo many years ago.
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It's a Pacer train in the North if England, and yes it maybe 1980's, but that makes it no better. Its a bus on a track, even the bloody windows leak ! Unlimited money for Crossrail in London though....
Now see, if you’d said “Merseyrail” you’d have had me. They genuinely are running a 1970s fleet, for a few more months anyway.

The Pacers are much maligned, and not very comfortable, but they are pretty reliable mechanically and cheap as chips to build and run. Arguably they saved a lot of less well used lines from closure in the 1980s when passenger numbers were in their trough and helped keep the network going. Those lines are busy now, but can only be busy now because of the lifeline your Pacer provided back then. There simply wasn’t the business case to provide anything more luxurious at the time, though I agree more could have been done before now.

It’s interesting, the Barnett Formula means that when a project like Crossrail is approved in London, an amount of money is allocated for spending in Scotland because money is being spent in England, and not because there is a specific project requiring funding. The formula was designed to prevent easier business cases in high population areas like London sucking up government investment, leaving Scotland with its small, dispersed population behind. Yet no such equivalent arrangement exists within England, meaning that each region’s capital projects are all competing for the same pot of money as London, where the business case is always going to be easier to make because of the high density, relatively wealthy population.

Anyway, give your Pacer a pat on the bodyshell this evening - it may be the reason you can catch a train to work at all. And in any case it’ll be finally gone into retirement within 12 months.

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It's a Pacer train in the North if England, and yes it maybe 1980's, but that makes it no better. Its a bus on a track, even the bloody windows leak ! Unlimited money for Crossrail in London though....

Mmm the pacers that were meant to be phased out by (iirc) 2020 but will now be about till 2023 ish. Because, reasons.....

They’re atrocious and I refuse to use them. If I need to get to London or Heathrow I’ll take the TPE to York and connect from there rather than going to Darlington via pacer
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And it's all the fault of <fill party name here> and will be fixed by <fill party name here>.
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Looking at the papers this morning it's seems that the message from senior labour party members is vote tory to avoid a national disaster.
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Looking at the papers this morning it's seems that the message from senior labour party members is vote tory to avoid a national disaster.
Depends how you define senior I suppose.

The papers don’t appear to afford the same coverage to the Rt. Hon. Kenneth Clarke QC. A man who has held genuinely senior positions in Government saying he can’t bring himself to vote Tory.
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Depends how you define senior I suppose.

The papers don’t appear to afford the same coverage to the Rt. Hon. Kenneth Clarke QC. A man who has held genuinely senior positions in Government saying he can’t bring himself to vote Tory.
There will be many who will have voted both Labour and Conservative in the past who will be considering exactly the same train of thought.
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Depends how you define senior I suppose.

The papers don’t appear to afford the same coverage to the Rt. Hon. Kenneth Clarke QC. A man who has held genuinely senior positions in Government saying he can’t bring himself to vote Tory.
Ken Clarke did not say he “won’t vote for the Conservatives.” He did say that it was a possibility that he would not, but that it would depend on the campaign the Conservative party ran, and that he did not expect them to run a campaign which would cost them his vote.

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Boris Johnson and Jeremy Corbyn to face off in live BBC debate.

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I'm stood on a delayed 1970s overcrowded, overpriced, failed heating train this morning, going nowhere slowly. One of many areas where the private sector has failed us (they of course, are doing quite well out of it !)

The economy isn't working well, and will be worse if those self centered idiots get another 5 years. Borrowing not seen since the 1970s is planned by this Govt., sublime to the ridiculous... Austerity was for nothing, has caused huge uneeded damage and solved nothing.
Austerity was not for nothing. Yes, it was painful, but it brought our deficit down to much more sustainable levels. Only now can we think of spending more, because we have room to maneouvre.

Sorry to hear about your delayed train. You should have been on the planet when the railways were a nationalised industry. Not only were they often late and overcrowded, but they were filthy too, and their curled up sandwiches were legendary.
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