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Old 31-10-2019, 16:53   #1831
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aah yes, demand.

No problem, China & India will have trade relations with the EU.
We will buy their goods from the EU (Ireland) which cuts out huge transport costs and giving China & India something for nothing
Wasn't one of the reasons for leaving so that we are able to strike our own trade agreements with the major economies....?
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Old 31-10-2019, 16:57   #1832
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Wasn't one of the reasons for leaving so that we are able to strike our own trade agreements with the major economies....?
On our terms, not theirs.

And of course, Ireland, being on the doorstep and speaking the same language, must have advantages for a large corporation to develop a nice import/export business between the EU and UK . . if the EU has what we need, why go to China?

Good for the UK, good for Ireland and the EU . . done deal, no need to thank me
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Old 31-10-2019, 17:00   #1833
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On our terms, not theirs.

And of course, Ireland, being on the doorstep and speaking the same language, must have advantages for a large corporation to develop a nice import/export business between the EU and UK . . if the EU has what we need, why go to China?

Good for the UK, good for Ireland and the EU . . done deal, no need to thank me
And with the border in the Irish sea they won't know what's hit them
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Old 31-10-2019, 17:47   #1834
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We are one of the largest of the world's economies. Hardly a position of weakness.

We will not sign any trade deals unless it is in our own interests to do so, and all this nonsense about negotiating away the NHS is peddled as Labour's latest wheeze to try to avert the public gaze from their own vision of the future, which is frankly horrifying.
UK = 2.25% of the world GDP, EU = 16.25% of the world GDP.

Bigger means better deals...

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aah yes, demand.

No problem, China & India will have trade relations with the EU.
We will buy their goods from the EU (Ireland) which cuts out huge transport costs and giving China & India something for nothing
That sort of logic explains why you think Brexit is a good thing...
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Old 31-10-2019, 17:59   #1835
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That sort of logic explains why you think Brexit is a good thing...
Just trying to fit in here Hugh, going with the flow . .
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Old 01-11-2019, 02:02   #1836
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You have no idea what our trade terms will be, so lets put that assumption to bed straight away.[COLOR="Silver"]

No, you can't put that to bed! That's exactly what you want to do to take peoples' minds away to the advantages of Brexit!

With that one post, you have given the game away!

The neww trade deal we will be advantageous to the UK. We would not sign it otherwise. Unless Corbyn was in charge, of course


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Well, that's what the Conservatives are saying. There is no credible evidence to the contrary, this is just a smear.
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Old 01-11-2019, 09:37   #1837
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion

Happy Brexit day everybody ! You know, you're right, nothings changed .

If Bozza ever does get Brino delivered, we'll just be paying the same with no benefits or influence or trade. So that's something to look forward to !
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Old 01-11-2019, 10:31   #1838
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Happy Brexit day everybody ! You know, you're right, nothings changed .

If Bozza ever does get Brino delivered, we'll just be paying the same with no benefits or influence or trade. So that's something to look forward to !
Personally I am quite clear in my mind who is responsible for Brexit not being delivered last night, and it isn’t Boris Johnson.

I am hoping for a clear Tory majority next month, the WAB passed into law at double quick time, and the UK out of the EU as early as possible (though I accept the Christmas holidays might mean this is not until early to mid January, there’s no reason for it to take until the 31st).

The WAB is agreed with the EU, the Parliament that planned to obfuscate and amend it into oblivion is finally gone. Anyone who actually wants us out of the EU need only vote for their local Tory to make this happen.
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Old 01-11-2019, 13:54   #1839
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Personally I am quite clear in my mind who is responsible for Brexit not being delivered last night, and it isn’t Boris Johnson.

I am hoping for a clear Tory majority next month, the WAB passed into law at double quick time, and the UK out of the EU as early as possible (though I accept the Christmas holidays might mean this is not until early to mid January, there’s no reason for it to take until the 31st).

The WAB is agreed with the EU, the Parliament that planned to obfuscate and amend it into oblivion is finally gone. Anyone who actually wants us out of the EU need only vote for their local Tory to make this happen.
The WAB isn't Brexit though is it ? Economically it will leave us poorer. I genuinely don't know how anyone can think its a good deal - and i don't think many Brexiters do either. Logic has gone out of the window in the bid to claim 'we won'. Just seems to be a vehicle leave Bozza as PM which is all important (to him anyway). The damage done to the country will be there long after he's gone.
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The WAB isn't Brexit though is it ? Economically it will leave us poorer. I genuinely don't know how anyone can think its a good deal - and i don't think many Brexiters do either. Logic has gone out of the window in the bid to claim 'we won'. Just seems to be a vehicle leave Bozza as PM which is all important (to him anyway). The damage done to the country will be there long after he's gone.
The WAB is not a deal. Any deal with the EU for future trade etc can only start to be negotiated after the WAB has passed.

No WAB = No Deal. Get your logic around that.
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The WAB isn't Brexit though is it ? Economically it will leave us poorer. I genuinely don't know how anyone can think its a good deal - and i don't think many Brexiters do either. Logic has gone out of the window in the bid to claim 'we won'. Just seems to be a vehicle leave Bozza as PM which is all important (to him anyway). The damage done to the country will be there long after he's gone.
When are people finally going to get it.
Whatever version of the WA you're talking about, is NOT an ongoing deal. It is a "transitional, unambiguously limited in time" arrangement. Brexit still happens at the end of next year. It is NOT a deal in the way that Remainers use the term "deal". Never has been, never could be. Article 50 rules that out.


A typical example was a while ago(can't track down the links etc), where a Remainer stated that Leave supporters had incorrectly claimed that getting a deal would be easy. We're NOT at that stage of even beginning to negotiate one. Misleading as usual.

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When are people finally going to get it.
Whatever version of the WA you're talking about, is NOT an ongoing deal. It is a "transitional, unambiguously limited in time" arrangement. Brexit still happens at the end of next year. It is NOT a deal in the way that Remainers use the term "deal". Never has, never could be. Article 50 rules that out.
That's the worst part, the difficult bit is yet to come. The 'transitional arrangement', if you like to call that, is the easy bit.
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When are people finally going to get it.
Whatever version of the WA you're talking about, is NOT an ongoing deal. It is a "transitional, unambiguously limited in time" arrangement. Brexit still happens at the end of next year. It is NOT a deal in the way that Remainers use the term "deal". Never has been, never could be. Article 50 rules that out.


A typical example was a while ago(can't track down the links etc), where a Remainer stated that Leave supporters had incorrectly claimed that getting a deal would be easy. We're NOT at that stage of even beginning to negotiate one. Misleading as usual.
Getting a deal is not easy as you need to get the WAB done first and that's not proving easy!
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Getting a deal is not easy as you need to get the WAB done first and that's not proving easy!
You don't need to do anything first. Any WA is optional. According to Article 50, it is up to the EU to try and negotiate one.
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It’s good to be back.

I’m going to take a third spin of the dice to say I don’t think we will leave the EU on 31st January.

Interesting we’d rather import NHS staff than train them.

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