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Old 30-10-2019, 21:16   #1816
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion

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It's not the number, it's Boris and his incorrect use of it.
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Often you seem to seek a reason why the truth cannot be correct? Just face it, he lied and lied again. This will be his undoing ...
Was it Boris?
All that a Minister or Prime Minister will ask of the civil Service is "what is the figure for X?". What interpretation is placed on that and what, if any, clarification is sought by the civil service, is not down to the asker of the question.
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Reality Check verdict: Mr Raab is right that staying in the EU would cost £1bn a month in budget payments. But his figure excludes any money the government gets back from the EU in grants for things like regional development or supporting farmers. When you factor these in, the figure comes down to about £744m a month.
But the rebate is based upon getting 66% back of the difference between what we're expected to pay and what we get back. Therefore the more we get back the less rebate there is. 66% of anything we get back is effectively directly funded by the UK, because the rebate is reduced by that 66%. Even if our net contributions were zero, 66% of the money we get back has been funded by the UK, not the EU. Therefore much more than 66% of any money we get back, has come from the UK.



The mere fact that it takes a 66% rebate to reach contributions of anything near a fair amount, shows how much we are expected to contribute. If a business was handing out 66% discounts constantly, it would be ruled that that the original base prices were unfair and excessive. The EU is planning to ditch the rebates, so it will represent our actual potential future contribution, even if it's only related to a customs union.
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Old 30-10-2019, 21:32   #1817
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It's not the number, it's Boris and his incorrect use of it.
If a number is a number, and the number has been agreed - how can any use of it be incorrect?

What would be the correct use of the number?
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Old 31-10-2019, 13:00   #1818
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion

It would seem we are going over the top again and getting personal with with each other.

This must cease immediately. Posts have been removed and people given infractions.

I warned what would happen if people did not follow my rulings. So now I am going to enact the penalty for breaching them. I said if people did not follow them I would ban people from participating in this thread, so the following member is not allowed to post in this thread for one week, effective immediately. [jfman]

I will never tolerate anybody getting personal with another member on here and generally being insulting or degrading.
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Old 31-10-2019, 14:02   #1819
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As the adage goes "Well they would say that, wouldn't they"?

Major theme for this GE, "Can you trust the Tories with .. basically, anything?" *







* cue response with variations on Corbyn, Labour, Marxist, etc.
Well, that's what the Conservatives are saying. There is no credible evidence to the contrary, this is just a smear.
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Old 31-10-2019, 14:03   #1820
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion [Banned: jfman]

wonder if anyone will ask Mark Francois what time the country supposed to explode today as he claimed it would if we didn't leave today
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Old 31-10-2019, 14:07   #1821
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Whilst I hope this is the case. I believe that in any trade talks with the US that the NHS will in some way or another be opened up to them.

We're going to be doing a lot of negotiating from a position of weakness so to speak. So, regardless of it's access to the NHS, Visas etc.

We're going to end up giving quite a lot away i suspect.
We are one of the largest of the world's economies. Hardly a position of weakness.

We will not sign any trade deals unless it is in our own interests to do so, and all this nonsense about negotiating away the NHS is peddled as Labour's latest wheeze to try to avert the public gaze from their own vision of the future, which is frankly horrifying.
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion [Banned: jfman]

Bombardier NI operations sold to Spirit AeroSystems

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-50246299

Good thing, or bad thing for the company making Airbus parts?
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Old 31-10-2019, 14:49   #1823
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Bombardier NI operations sold to Spirit AeroSystems

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-50246299

Good thing, or bad thing for the company making Airbus parts?
American owned companies aren't much fun to work for,i wish the employees luck especially after brexit.
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Old 31-10-2019, 15:10   #1824
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wonder if anyone will ask Mark Francois what time the country supposed to explode today as he claimed it would if we didn't leave today
A lot has happened since then, we have the next good thing to look forward to, a tool which keeps Britain ticking over nicely and calmly, it's called democracy and we kick out the treacherous MPs who have defied their 2017 pledges. Already several MPs have stood down and are not contesting in their seats because they jolly well know they'd get a damn thrashing via the ballot box for ignoring their constituents wishes to the leave the EU.
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Old 31-10-2019, 15:13   #1825
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We are one of the largest of the world's economies. Hardly a position of weakness.

We will not sign any trade deals unless it is in our own interests to do so, and all this nonsense about negotiating away the NHS is peddled as Labour's latest wheeze to try to avert the public gaze from their own vision of the future, which is frankly horrifying.
We are indeed one of the worlds largest economies, i don't think anyone would disagree with that at all BUT are we one of the worlds largest economies BECAUSE of our EU membership or DESPITE it. Thats the question that should be asked and answered.

If you don't think that the UK will bend over when it comes to trade deals, especially with economic super powers then I'm sorry but you're misguided.

US will want access to the NHS
Chine will want visas
India will want visas

I'll bookmark this post so we can come back to it if/when a brexit ever happens......
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A lot has happened since then, we have the next good thing to look forward to, a tool which keeps Britain ticking over nicely and calmly, it's called democracy and we kick out the treacherous MPs who have defied their 2017 pledges. Already several MPs have stood down and are not contesting in their seats because they jolly well know they'd get a damn thrashing via the ballot box for ignoring their constituents wishes to the leave the EU.
I must admit i had decided some time ago that i couldn't support the conservative party until the traitors where kicked out,this election will put the party back on track to where it should be.
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US will want access to the NHS
Chine will want visas
India will want visas
Wanting and Getting are two different things.

If these countries have a surplus which they want to sell to us, they do it on our terms. If they don't like that, they can simply reduce their output
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We are indeed one of the worlds largest economies, i don't think anyone would disagree with that at all BUT are we one of the worlds largest economies BECAUSE of our EU membership or DESPITE it. Thats the question that should be asked and answered.

If you don't think that the UK will bend over when it comes to trade deals, especially with economic super powers then I'm sorry but you're misguided.

US will want access to the NHS
Chine will want visas
India will want visas

I'll bookmark this post so we can come back to it if/when a brexit ever happens......
We will still be trading with the EU more or less as we do now, so why is that significant?

And what the US, China and India want and what they get will be two different things. It's strange that some people believe that we would sign up for something that disadvantaged us. Why would we do that?

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We will still be trading with the EU more or less as we do now, so why is that significant?

And what the US, China and India want and what they get will be two different things. It's strange that some people believe that we would sign up for something that disadvantaged us. Why would we do that?
You have no idea what our trade terms will be, so lets put that assumption to bed straight away.

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Wanting and Getting are two different things.

If these countries have a surplus which they want to sell to us, they do it on our terms. If they don't like that, they can simply reduce their output
A very simplistic way of looking at it... you missed out the other part of the equation which is 'demand'


I'd be willing to wager that in trade talks with the major economies we will pretty much have terms dictated to us...
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A very simplistic way of looking at it... you missed out the other part of the equation which is 'demand'


I'd be willing to wager that in trade talks with the major economies we will pretty much have terms dictated to us...
aah yes, demand.

No problem, China & India will have trade relations with the EU.
We will buy their goods from the EU (Ireland) which cuts out huge transport costs and giving China & India something for nothing
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